Oh no.
Anyways…
Could have consequences for many people in the US. McCarthy at least wanted to keep things running even if he was extreme. The next guy may not.
He wanted to keep things running about as much as any other Republican. He was literally blaming Democrats when shutting down the government is pretty much a normalized annual thing from the Republicans at this point.
In the long run, that will cost the GOP and they will lose more power.
Hate to say it but I doubt it. The people voting republican bought heavily into the idea that McCarthy was some kind of traitor and started calling him a RINO. They seem to live for this kind of chaos. They want things their way, and if they can’t have it the only alternative is burning it all down. Compromise is completely unacceptable to them hence McCarthy’s ouster.
I hope so but that’s far from certain. Unless the chaos from this is particularly memorable AND it causes relatively little harm to the American people, I don’t think that’s likely.
We’re still over a year from the election. People will barely remember this and it probably will factor minimally in their decisions in 2024.
This will all be forgotten next month, what won’t be is Donny’s endless court cases. Anything the rest of the republicans do will be overshadowed by Trump’s legal antics. Their only hope is to detangle themselves from him, but that ain’t happening.
Well, it will only be forgotten if we get a swift resolution.
Next month, there needs to be another vote to avert another government shutdown, as the recent resolution was only a 1-month stay of execution. If the house is still busy arguing over who the Speaker should be until the 11th hour, there will be no way to avoid the shutdown.
Maybe. It remains to be seen how much impact those court cases will have. Polls right now show a dead heat which is concerning. But maybe voters are just not paying attention yet.
I don’t want to get overconfident because the numbers are still scary, but I am not sure how much I trust polls. Most of them are unsolicited phone calls that just ask you who you plan to vote for and some basic demographic details. Young people tend to not answer calls from unrecognized numbers.
They generally adjust for that kind of thing. It’s always possible the polls are off but it’s tough to predict which direction. They’re usually only a little off so right now it’s safe to conclude the race is close-ish. But a lot can change in a year. It’s hard for me to believe people won’t reject more Trump insanity when the time comes. But people do lots of things I find hard to believe.
Time will tell I suppose, this is going to be a long year.
Damn. I guess the gop speaker will never compromise with the dems ever again.
EDIT: I meant in the context of the bill that mccarthy passed on Saturday with the help of the dems. Any new speaker will be very wary of pissing off the gaetz crowd.
McCarthy knew that a government shutdown would have pissed off even more Republicans in Congress, including all of those in vulnerable districts.
For example, Boebert’s district. Notice how for once she didn’t vote alongside Gaetz? Behind closed doors, there were plenty of Congressional Republicans telling McCarthy that making make a deal with Democrats was preferable to a politically suicidal shutdown.
I saw that she didn’t vote with gaetz and I was puzzled, thanks for the info!
McCarthy almost did the right thing by letting the funding bill come to the floor, but it also stripped Ukraine funding and was a can to kick things down the road giving us only 45 days till we’re in the same spot. He could have also offered consessions to the Dems for their vote, which he refused to do. Add to that what is a literal witchhunt of an Impechment inquiry, why do you think the Dems should have saved him?
I don’t think they should have saved him. I added some context to my comment, since everyone is thinking I meant something very different.
This is politics on Lemmy. What is this “context” you refer to? We don’t do that here.
tell me you haven’t been paying attention to republican politics since 2016, without, you know, telling me
I added a bit of context to my comment, I definitely didn’t communicate my thinking well.
I meant that a new speaker will be scared of the gaetz crowd. They’ll be even less cooperative than the gop have been.
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The new speaker will only survive if the new speaker can get support from some of both parties. The lesson is clear.
I think that’s an impossible act in this day and age.
Refusing to cooperate with Democrats is what sank him.
He needed support from Democrats to keep the Speakership. He’s spent the entire year giving them no reason to trust him – including going on the Sunday shows this week knowing this vote was coming and trying to blame Democrats for the near shutdown.
This. If he had just stuck to the deal that was agreed to with Biden, he’d probably still be speaker.
But no, he had to try and play both sides.
Now the fascists are going to get their speaker in and there will very likely be a shutdown in 45 days
“I’m gonna play both sides, that way I’ll always end up on top”
Yeah, he was supposed to play both sides against each other. Instead, he got them both against himself 🤦♂️
Ah, ok that makes sense now. I hadn’t really kept up on dem/mccarthy relations. I was referring to the new leader being afraid to piss off the gaetz crowd by working with Dems even once.
Are those actual conservatives or ones which would be called extreme right-wingers or fascists in non-american politics?
They’re both the same picture
Thoughts and prayers
The democrats voted to oust this guy and trust me you reap what you sew. The next will be worse.
Worse how?
The Speaker is ultimately a mouthpiece for the party. Speakers do not advance a personal agenda, they do what the “majority of the majority” wants them to do. The new Speaker will be no different in that regard.
However, a Speaker is also the point of contact for the opposing party. A Republican Speaker can disagree with Democrats about literally everything, but they shouldn’t lie to Democrats, renege on deals, etc. If nobody can trust you, then you are worthless as an intermediary. So McCarthy was among the worst possible people for the job.
Surely you must be joking. Matt Gaetz spent several days telling everybody that he was going to oust Kevin McCarthy. Then he did.
The Republican speaker of the House was removed from his position by the craziest contingent of the Republican party.
The self sabotage is nutty.
Go look at who voted to say yes. Look at how many democrats said yes. They could have said no.
So keep someone horribly damaging and untrustworthy around because things could get worse? Sounds like a cowards/defeatist mindset, you should always strive for better and removing those who do damage.
pulling every control knob they can find on the Titanic
Could we please stop calling these agents of destruction “conservative”? They don’t want to conserve anything. “Destructives” would be better.
America’s two parties are Regressives vs Conservatives.
amen
Reactionaries.
Tis the word to use.
*Russian agents
*paid russian assets
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Democrats this morning were shown a clip of McCarthy on CBS over the weekend trying to blame them for shutdown chaos, Rep. Gerry Connolly, D-Va., said, calling that a clarifying moment for those in the party who might have voted to save him. McCarthy’s decision to blame Democrats on TV this weekend was “one of the most crushingly stupid things somebody could do on the eve of your survival vote,” he told NBC News this afternoon.
I saw that interview clip - the reporter actually started laughing when he tried to blame the Democrats. It really was a stupid thing to say.
Former Fairfax County Commissioner Gerry Connolly? The man who never met a defense contractor he could say no to?
The Democrats were discussing working with him. Then he basically told them to fuck off with that interview. So he lost with 8 republican votes. Such bad strategy. It just makes you think, aren’t you supposed to be a politician. You ever politiced in your whole life?
I guess this is the kind of stupid, horrible strategy you can expect from the current Republican party. They don’t have to make deals are negotiate. Their entire platform is scream Democrats bad.
He eas trying to get the most radical reps back by showing “hey i am one of you, i also wanto to own the libs” But fascists hanging their own to try if they are not radical enough is a story as old as fascism.
They already made their deal, with Putin.
You’re crazy if you think it’s these guys cutting deals with the big P directly. It’s more like the NRA, the Heritage Foundation, the Carlyle Group, some Koch org, or other billionaires.
The politicians are just the mouth pieces and button pushers.
That 14 republicans went to see Putin is the exception, not the rule. Normally they don’t expose that relationship and keep it going via middlemen.
He was trying to throw the democrats under the bus because the threat from Gaetz was that he was working with the Democrats. But he forgot the Democrats aren’t complete pushovers, just mostly pushovers, and ended up falling under the bus instead.
Everyone wants to act like he wants to be speaker…
He gets zero out of it and no matter what happens it hurts his chance retaining his seat or moving up to a higher office.
He probably can’t be happier to step back in the shadows.
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Woke up to see no ones ever heard about a dog that spends it whole life chasing cars, then when one stops realizes it doesn’t know what to do
He’s been trying to get that speaker spot for years, you have no idea what you’re talking about.
He desperately wanted to be speaker. He was pissed off when it took him many votes to get the role, actively negotiating for the job he should’ve been a shoo in for.
Then even once he had it, he was doing anything he could to appease the freedom caucus, including the unilateral impeachment investigation and the shutdown threat.
In averting the shutdown he essentially resigned, but at that point he was a broken man who was tired of selling his soul to appease the far right. Lets not act like he didn’t do everything’s short of shutting down the government to avoid this.
Speaker is usually end game. For politicians who want it, that’s where their career peaks. Party leaders pretty much always end up unpopular. That’s why Paul Ryan was reluctant to do it and now his career is tanked. John Boehner is a full time lobbyist now. Pelosi will probably never leave Congress.
But no one has ever wanted to be speaker more than Kev. He’s not really smart or popular enough to get any higher anyway. The fact that such a dim witted sad sack got as high as he did is a miracle by itself.
Do you recall where you saw that video?
I don’t remember the exact link I watched, but here’s a clip: https://youtu.be/6sAFFDWaNtY?si=wUaBjyiPv1o8SWzJ
Thanks MVP 🫶
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Man, McCarthy is such a hilariously stupid little bitch. I’m honestly mystified that he thought that gaslighting approach was going to work.
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I mean, hasn’t he always been kind of dim? I’ve always thought of him as kind of an older Eric Trump, tbh.
Man, the GOP have really let themselves be gutted by their most extreme members.
Yeah man. I’m running out of popcorn here.
Please change the title of this post to match the title of the article so that I don’t have to remove it for violating Rule 4. THANK YOU!
This is the title that NBC put when I shared it. It was the title of the post at the time of sharing. I see now that they’ve removed the portion that says “pushed by conservatives”. Is that the part that you would like me to amend?
Yeah it looks like they keep changing it. No worries then. How strange.
Now they’re a complete set of failures!
Young gun, gray hair.
Haha.
What happened to Eric Cantor?
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What happened to Paul Ryan?
Saw the first two years of Trump and bowed out before it went full insanity. He may be playing it smart and letting the whole Trump thing go away before running for president. We’ll see.
Paul Ryan is absolutely going to try to step back into politics once Trump is gone, and act like he’s a return to sanity.
He isn’t.
I’m not forgiving Paul Ryan for torpedoing the Hearing Protection Act at the one time in recent decades it had a chance to pass.
Is that the ridiculous bill to legalize silencers? It will never pass. Has zero chance. Hey want to save your ears, here’s an idea, stop setting off explosions near your head as a hobby. The report is a feature not a bug.
What would that bill do?
Lost his primary in 2014 then resigned before finishing the term.
9 years ago… also Boehner. Didnt think politics could get crazier. How young and naive I was.
The Speaker position was but a mere stepping stone to their true calling of being wealthy k street lobbyists.
Hows this going to impact fumding for Ukraine?
Badly. The vote to pass spending removed it, and now a separate vote to add it separately will be delayed.
Putin is getting exactly what he paid for, and he’s got to be absolutely thrilled.
If anything this is proof that all that spying the alphabet bois are doing isnt actualy to protect anyone. If it was everyone being bribed by putin would already have been charged with treason.
We gonna get a carousel like the Conservatives in the UK last year? Will our next speaker outlast a cabbage?
On this side of the pond we use Scaramuccis
Conversion ratio, for reference: One Truss is equal to exactly four Mooches.
I am absolutely horrified that I know exactly what this sentence means.
Americans will use anything but the metric system.
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No, because those things are so full of salt and other preservatives they’ll last forever.
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Yes
Some US politicians certainly do look like leathery old salted meat.
I’m uh… not sure?
I think the Democrats should have voted to keep him in
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