Somehow this is the only country on earth where this seems to happen. When talking about shootings involving guns, okay, fine, the US is certainly an outlier there, but every country has cars and police.

This is murder.

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    Unpopular take. This seems like a very grey case without a clear right and wrong based on the actions of the accused shoplifter in driving the car. I think there were some questionable split second decisions on both sides.

    People shouldn’t die over shoplifting. It’s pretty clear this shooting was about not about the supporting, but 2 decisions made during the apprehension. 1. The suspect not surrendering and attempting to drive away. 2. The officer standing in front of the car to block egress making a decision when the car moved forward and making contact with his body.

    To folks saying the cop could have stepped out of the way or not been there, Id be curious what department training states an officer should do when apprehending a suspect in a parked vehicle. Did the officer follow training and protocol?

  • @Compactor9679@lemm.ee
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    So, she is told to get out, she does not. And she starts the can and try to run over the officer? Why are we surpriced she was shot?

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        Because she wasn’t trying to run him over.

        The racist trolls know that, but they’re racist trolls so they say dumb shit to see if idiots and other trolls will believe them.

        These are the same people who think Ashley Babbitt shouldn’t have been shot for trying to storm the congress building.

    • @stembolts@programming.dev
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      Because as we have access to human reasoning combined with data, it can be seen that these events regularly occur throughout the world with far lesser routine brutality and death as the outcome.

      The existence of data sets restricted by country are a natural dataset that can shine a light on outliers. When it comes to certain types of brutality, when a country becomes notable, is it unreasonable to ask questions? I would say that it is completely reasonable to do so.

      What I would say is unreasonable to do, is to look at the event with a microscope when such macrosropic data exists. Or to express surprise that people wouldn’t expect extrajudicial execution of a mother and child. It shines the light back on the asker of the question, “Are they unaware, ignorant, or more-commonly, willfully ignorant.?”

      The willfully ignorant are often trying to bend the world to their conception of the world instead of seeing it as it is, because that would require a call to action. We would have to identify a problem and fix it and this type of data is inconvenient, but I don’t know you, so I can’t be sure of your intentions. I hope you are able to receive this as well as it was intended, and perhaps empathize with people who still feel surprise when executions occur without trial.

      Do you want to live in a world where such executions are no longer surprising, but instead a routine occurrence?

  • @jpreston2005@lemmy.world
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    This is run of the mill for Ohio cops. I grew up there, I’ve seen it all my life. They are a reckless, racist, violent group of thugs with the mentality of the KGB. If you’re ever so unfortunate as to find yourself there, and in the presence of one, LEAVE. don’t do a fuckin thing that might garner their attention.

    They’re also fanatical about pulling people over, they’ll pull you over for ANYTHING. and if you’re not the whitest of white, you’re gonna have a real bad time.

    just… just don’t go to Ohio.

      • Flying Squid
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        Even if that were true, and it arguably wasn’t true, don’t you think that maybe the police escalated the situation to that point?

        • @Ilovethebomb@lemmy.world
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          Possibly, but it doesn’t change the fact she behaved poorly, to put it mildly.

          People here are making out like it is a cold blooded execution.

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            It is a cold-blooded execution.

            He got in front of the car, said get out, then shot her.

            Let’s be real. You know all of this and are just apologetic because you: love cops, hate shoplifting, hate black people, or any combination of the three.

            You’re not mature or genuine enough to admit it. And I don’t hold you above that behavior.

          • Flying Squid
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            Killing someone for “behaving poorly” is a cold-blooded execution.

      • @bobman@unilem.org
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        Why did the cop get in front of her car?

        Did you notice she turned the wheel as much as possible to specifically avoid hitting the cop that walked in front of her car and pulled a gun out?

      • @bobman@unilem.org
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        He got in front of the car on purpose of his own volition then pulled out the gun and shot her.

        She was trying to avoid him, which is why she turned her wheel as much as possible to drive around him.

      • @jimbo@lemmy.world
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        That dumb fucker put himself intentionally in harm’s way, and I’d have a really difficult fucking time believing that it wasn’t with the hope that the car would move the tiniest bit so he could shoot her.

    • 🖖USS-Ethernet
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      No one should be shooting at tires, that isn’t as easy as they make it in the movies (in this case yes it would have been). However, you should NEVER point a gun at something you do not intend to kill.

      • @cowpowered@lemm.ee
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        Yeah and let’s not forget this was simple shoplifting. A crime, sure, but not nearly one serious enough to start shooting at a fleeing suspect. Just let her go and issue a warrant.

  • @tomi000@lemmy.world
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    This is way worse than murder. ‘Normal’ murderers dont swear to protect citizens before killing them.

        • @BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          He knew what he was doing. He intentionally put himself in harm’s way and escalated the situation. So fucking what if she ran? They have her tags, they can easily trace her vehicle and find her residence, and take action when it isn’t directly putting lives at risk.

          Oh no, she got away with some groceries, big fucking deal. Better than murder.

          Fuck that cop, and fuck your pitiful attempt at justifying this.

        • Boddhisatva
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          The car was moving very slowly. The cop had a choice. Get out of the way and arrest her later, or go straight to extra-judicial execution. He made the wrong choice.

        • @Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          32 years ago

          He could just not stand in front of the car. Write down the license plate and let her go. Or just let her go. Better than killing someone.

        • sab
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          An absolutely essential part of police work is to de-escalate situations. If someone is acting erratically and pose a potential danger they’re supposed to be trained to calm them down, control the situation, and get it under control with minimal use of force. In America the work of the police is, to be fair, made harder by the fact that firearms are everywhere - situations can escalate very quickly.

          However, if what starts as a pregnant lady shoplifting ends with you shooting her dead, chances are you did not do a very good job de-escalating the situation. Rather on the contrary - you escalated it a whole fucking lot.

          This has nothing to do with any functional notion of police work. This is just state sponsored terror.

        • gregorum
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          442 years ago

          That is not what this video shows. This video shows a police officer who ran in front of a car and shot a pregnant woman over some groceries.

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      Cop used his body as a lever to play chicken with her and get to shoot.

      He could have never stepped there, recorded her plate, and arrested her after.

      If she had cornered him with the car at no fault of his own that would be different. But he chose to be in front.

    • blazera
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      Alright time to run out into traffic and start shootin in self defense.

  • finthechat
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    Her unborn child should have had a gun, then it could have shot the cop first

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    I do not understand why it is so common for police in this country to stand in front of a car and then shoot the driver when the car moves. It’s a manufactured danger and really does not seem like a smart idea to use your weapon to put a corpse in control of a heavy machine.

    • qevlarr
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      You do understand why. What you said is exactly why. They are manufacturing a danger so that they are legally allowed to use lethal force against anyone for any small crime. All the police do in the USA is escalate, escalate, escalate

    • @GBU_28@lemm.ee
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      What’s not to understand? Their goal is the expression of power, the suspect’s escape is completely non optional to them. They are not trained in de-escalation.

      So, by placing their body on the line (in the path of the giant metal machine), they are essentially saying “obey me, or you are willing to kill me if you try to escape”. So if you try to escape, you are willing to kill them. So if you are willing to kill them, they are free to defend themselves.

      It is crazy, but consistent logic.

      Remember they aren’t there to help, or protect, but to enforce.

    • They stand in front so that they can shoot the driver.

      You can’t play chicken with someone and then shoot them if you get scared. You have to either swerve or get hit, that’s why it’s called chicken.