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I can’t tell from the article if there’s a real problem. None of the levels exceed FDA thresholds, and it sounds bad, but there’s also no definite claim of harm.
The highest levels detected violated the state of Washington’s limits
https://tamararubin.com/about/
Tamara Rubin is an internationally recognized, multiple federal award-winning Lead-poisoning prevention advocate, documentary filmmaker, and mother of four sons (ages 26, 20, 17, and 14). She took on the cause of childhood Lead poisoning and consumer goods safety advocacy after her sons were acutely Lead poisoned by the work of a painting contractor in 2005. Tamara lives in Portland, Oregon with her husband and two youngest sons (who each have permanent disabilities from Lead exposure as infants).
She does this work specifically because it can cause permanent harm. Her family literally are victims of it.
Also, as the article notes, Washington State has much stricter standards than the Federal government.
More on Rubin:
If her youngest sons with permanent lead exposure injuries were 14 and 17 in 2023, and the lead exposure event took place in 2005, when her older children were young, some of the math isn’t mathing for me.
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The article told you. There is NO safe level of lead. The legal limits are not appropriate for health.
Low level mass lead poisoning makes the world make a lot more sense now.
Yeah, I wish we had a list of stuff that does the most harm to people so we could address those problems from the top down.
I mean, dying seems to do a lot of harm, we should work on that first
Good point. What’re the leading causes of death?
Cars, heart disease, and guns in the USA. If I recall correctly.
Maybe we should work on mitigating those risks first, then.
Dying, for one. I always tell people, ‘just don’t die’, but nobody listens to me…
That sounds like a disturbing correlation centered around you.
Is this a secondary account for Duke Atreides or Dr Yueh?
Actually, this is Shaddam Corrino IV. I’m still pretty bitter about the events on Arrakis, but I’m effectively backed into a corner in exhile. I don’t have many ways to get back at Paul Atreides, so I’ve taken to spreading petty, hurtful references online. There’s not much else to do here on Salusa Secundus aside from going on maneuvers with my sardaukar.
That’s a pretty healthy outlook. A little bit more therapy and you might even stop wanting revenge.
Hmm. I’ll consider it, but I’ll probably just smuggle a bunch of Sardaukar to Arrakis disguised as Guild member to try for an assassination.
Yes Leto I’ve betrayed and effectively killed you, but the tooth! Be sure not to brush with hydroxyapatite and stick to melange based paste.
I don’t get the impression that Vladimir Harkonnen was a good enough host to supply Leto with toiletries during his brief stay.
The tooth has spoken
[Facepalm]
I posted this in total ignorance of my name.
lol I’m sorry I just couldn’t resist.
I was tempted to go for
The tooth has spoken the truth.
or even
The tooth has spoken the twooth
That was great. I got a really good laugh out of it.
Per the FDA, there is no known safe amount of lead exposure. If it’s in something you want to minimize your exposure to it.
When it comes to lead, there is no “safe” level of lead in ones body. I think the reason the FDA has a limit is because we know it’s everywhere, so having a standard limit lower than where the average person may begin to see noticeable side-effects is important. Although, as everyone’s body chemistry varies, what is “safe/tolerable” for one individual may not be for another.
Lead is also one of those things that from research I have read affects children to the greatest degree while their little brains are growing. In children it can cause things like aggression, learning disabilities, and slow growth and development amongst other things.
Also this is only one source of lead children (or any of us) may be absorbing, which would make you wonder about a compounding affect when looked at in aggregate. We know it’s in a LOT of chocolate, spices (cinnamon being the current one doing kids in), toys, and environmental things like paint in places like old homes and schools (read a story not long ago about a kid they figured out was being poisoned from lead paint dust on a windowsill at school).
The max thresholds don’t mean it’s fine if it’s lower, just that at some point it becomes difficult to both detect the presence of things and there’s a limit on how much can be prevented. If we were progressing in time correctly we should be lowering these maximum levels both in the ability of detection and in the beginning sources. Especially in cases like this where either the metals are being added or are part of specific ingredients that would cost more to process and remove the metals.
And wow, they said Washington State was lower than the FDA, but that’s a magnitude less! Good job, Washington!
Is there a list I can search?
The tamaraRubin site is challenging.
Wait…US is still doing research?!
I mean, it depends what you’re willing to call “research”.
The testing, conducted by Lead Safe Mama, also found concerning levels of highly toxic arsenic, mercury and cadmium in many brands.
I’m not sure I would put this on the same level as a controlled, reproducible double-blind peer-reviewed study by Harvard and MIT published in a prestigious journal, but I’m sure it’s really close. /s
Edit: Ok, so people argue she’s at least a little legitimate, but why the fuck can’t we use actual scientific institutions anymore? We have a scientific method for a reason. Where’s the peer review? Where’s the people reproducing her results?
How do you think we get to the point where a researcher can get funding to do actual peer reviewed research? In the state the USA is in they won’t until something like this gets the publics attention.
Part of the reason the USA has gotten to this state is because we allow unverified sensationalist slop like this to get the public’s attention and be used against them. We’ve already seen 1 bullshit study linking vaccines and autism that is STILL being widely circulated and used to this day to convince people not only that vaccines are bad but that the whole GOVERNMENT is bad. Look at the results.
Now we’re going to convince people toothpaste is bad using the same quality of “independent research”?
I did not interpret this to mean toothpaste is bad. All I see is greedy corporations not doing their due diligence in making sure their product safe.
I agree that the reason we’ve gotten to this state is due in part to sensationalist media using bad research to promote claims that get clicks/views that earn them money.
But I don’t think that’s the same thing at all as someone paying independent labs to test consumer products for toxins.
There are plenty of sensationalist articles about pseudo-science to get upset over. But someone who’s paying for independent testing of consumer products for heavy metals is not it.
They keep losing their stuff and brain due to lead poisoning, so they have to keep re-searching.
How else can the US learn how to inflict the maximum amount of pain on people it doesn’t like?
I pay eight dollars for what I assumed was “fancy toothpaste”. It’s expensive. Good teeth, too bad about the fucking lead poisoning though…
Wtf!
We can fix this! Quick, destroy the FDA so the problem will never be seen again!
Don’t worry, we’ll just cut the FDA funding and stop testing… problem goes away just like that
Just like COVID testing in 2020!
At the moment if it comes from the US I’m not buying it. 😏
I’m guessing the double meaning flew right over, hence the incomplete table mentioning Tamara’s site from Oregon, USA. The thing is, I’ll need further research from other countries to consider trusting these findings, even if I’m already used to being overly cautious when purchasing hygiene products.
Send directives to retract the word lead from all communications, done
Finally a benefit to not brushing my teeth! My ADHD finally gets a win!
/s
Now hold still as I apply this giant drill to Number Whatever.
My uncle always used to say that his goal in life is to have all his teeth replaced with implants.
He died at 51 from a heart attack.
I have a single implant. One. I fucking hate it. Not to speak of the dentist because he’s fantastic, but the structure of the things drives me nuts.
If anyone’s unaware, they don’t go into the socket like a normal tooth. There’s an anchor, but they’re kinda T-shaped and leave a miniscule gap between the “tooth” and the gum. SO MUCH SHIT GETS TRAPPED IN THERE! I carry metal toothpicks with me everywhere (“weapons” according to every security guy ever) because I constantly have to dig shit out.
There’s other problems too, but that’s the most annoying one.
Hmm. I also have one but it’s the opposite experience for me. Getting the old tooth yanked out and then the drilling into the upper jaw was a weird experience. But I really can’t complain, I actually use that as the dominant ripping and chewing side now.
Good to know that I should avoid implants.
I have three ceramic crowns and they do not have that issue at all. I was bad at my luxury bone maintenance when I was younger so I will probably have to get many more crowns in the future.
The findings have not been peer-reviewed and the author has been convicted of…a lot of crime.
Peer review is for scientific papers, not lab results. If you have reason to question the lab that produced the results, then please share it.
There are many different ways to collect the sample that was sent to the lab…
That’s why I don’t brush my teeth - because the government says to.
I found Dale Gri- I mean Rusty Shackleford
Seems to be a lot of kids toothpaste on that list
Probably because the bulk of the products tested were likely kids toothpastes.
Lead Safe Mama community members nominate products for laboratory testing and then the LSM community uses crowd-funding (including through GoFundMe) to raise the funds to cover the costs related to testing and reporting of these nominated products. This is how the toothpaste and tooth powder products listed in the chart below were chosen for testing, and how the testing and reporting was paid for.
yeah, kids toothpaste is especially worrisome if it contains toxins because kids can’t exactly spit out their toothpaste until they get to a certain age. they just consume it, so kids toothpaste is supposed to be safe to consume.
Ah, I see. Appreciate the clarification
So I’m all for substances to be routinely measured for lead concentration. I wouldn’t be surprised if lead and fascism have a link.
But, because of leaded gasoline and widespread use of lead in other products historically we cannot escape 0 lead.
I wouldn’t be surprised if you took a plate of food from a randomized selection of restaurants, you would find lead in every meal.
Lead is dense, and leaded gasoline absolutely fucked our planet. We know the safe level is 0.
We cannot say that any measurement of non-zero is worse than what we can ultimately control for. We need to be measuring these things over decades, to verify the amount continues to decrease with the ultimate hope of 0 (though, that’s unlikely).
It’s no surprise, they find lead in there. Our analytics have become crazy sensitive, we can detect the tiniest amounts of chemicals nowadays.
That’s why it’s very important to check articles like this one for what actually was found in order to avoid uninformed sensationalizing.
Reading through this article makes you wonder how Washington came up with their regulation for lead levels and why it differs so much from the FDA’s standards.
Even if we know, that no amount of lead can be considered ‘safe’, we have to have a regulation, of what is allowed and what we deem acceptable. Routinely testing products against these standards of course has to happen, otherwise, they’d be pretty useless.
For me, the crazy takeaway of the article was just how high the acceptable level of lead is for toothpaste (the current FDA limit is 20,000ppb for fluoridated toothpaste).
So long story short what adult toothpastes and children’s toothpastes are ok to use
Rubin said the contamination seems to lie in some ingredients added to toothpaste, including hydroxyapatite, calcium carbonate and bentonite clay.
Several children’s toothpastes, like Dr Brown’s Baby Toothpaste, did not test positive for any metals and did not contain the ingredients in question.
They had to stop putting lead into fuel years, and now even lead water pipes are under threat, so they need another way to lower peoples IQs to keep them mallable.
The word “Docile” is better suited here
The way they hit you, malleable fits, too.
mallablemalleableThanks. But I definitely remember having read “mallable” before. Could that be a British vs. American thing?
back in my day they even leaded the wine!
that’s where the phrase, “get the lead out”, became so popular.
invite some friends over for dinner, break out the wine and one of the servants would say, “this wine is vinegar!” and then you’d whip them and scream, “get the lead out!”
Back when I hunted mammoth, lead was not a concern.
Don’t worry. Chronic underfunding of education coupled with social media means we can save money on expensive lead!
