Media keeps saying “criminal.” Exercising Constitutional rights does now make anyone criminal, natural born citizen or not. I gave up on mediaite being unbiased long ago, but we need to call out language of complicity.
People forget that all the people the Nazi’s put in camps were also criminals. According to Nazi propaganda, they were responsible for the deaths of millions of Germans in WW1, for impoverishing hardworking Germans in the Great Depression and for terrorism in resistance to the Nazi regime.
No regime ever has admitted to locking up an innocent person. No dictator has ever said “Yeah, I put innocent people in jail”.
This is why we have separation of powers. The executive branch has zero authority to call anyone a criminal. Only the independent court system has that authority.
Oddly enough, Trump’s DOJ did straight up admit they sent an innocent guy in to El Salvador, and said they can’t get him back.
They also didn’t say he was innocent, the opposite actually. The official narrative is that he’s super guilty of a million crimes, he was just “administratively” deported incorrectly, however the deportation is still serendipitous and deserved.
Obviously, he’s innocent. That’s clear for anyone except the most die-hard MAGA cultist. So, like, the average FOX viewer
No, no… they didn’t say they couldn’t get him back. They said they don’t have to, even though the supreme court upheld the district court order to facilitate his return. In a rare unanimous decision I might add. They’re not even trying to pretend they care what the courts say at this point.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-defy-supreme-court_n_67fd3ad6e4b0c8069e85c34e
What the courts say only matters if it’s enforced. We need daily fines, removal from power, or even imprisonment as a punishment for this.
Remember, these are republicans, which are mostly (self proclaimed) “Christians.” These “Christians” need religion to tell them they will be punished for sinning because simply helping your fellow man is not a good enough “reward” for them. Everything is transactional.
This is why we have separation of powers
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Surely if presidents are able to appoint supreme court justices, there has never been separation of powers? And is that not a big part of why we’re in this mess now?
You also need the Senate, not just the president.
But Republican senators have abdicated their duties and voters have not replaced them.
That’s why we have this mess.
Makes sense, thanks for clarifying!
Paragraph 175 of the German code made homosexuality illegal. It had already been illegal under Weimer and the Reich before, with varying degrees of enforcement. The Nazis strengthened it, started going after even non penetrative sex.
Pink triangle prisoners were among the lowest of the low, similar to Jews. The goal was to work them to death, in the brick works. Theres a lot of horrific fucked up sexual sadism when you read these accounts. (Having sex with a man is only gay if you love him, I guess)
Then, when the camps were liberated:
The American policy toward gay inmates in the US-controlled zone of occupation was based on the Handbook for Military Government in Germany Prior to Defeat or Surrender, which was compiled by the Combined Chiefs of Staff of the US Military in 1944. Part of the Handbook was dedicated specifically to directing American troops how to classify and handle the large number of concentration camp survivors. The policy for those interned based on criminal actions stated, “Ordinary criminals with a prison sentence still to serve will be transferred to civil prisons.” Since many pink triangle prisoners had been convicted of violating Paragraph 175, a law of the German Criminal Code that predated the Nazi regime, the Americans also classified them as criminals. Therefore, those who had not finished serving their sentence were often transferred to prisons.
Homosexuality remained illegal in West Germany until the 70s. This also meant that there weren’t even accounts of the things that happened in those camps, because the social stigma didn’t go away…
Feel like I’ve been saying this a lot recently, but it’s pertinent:
Camp Auschwitz was in Poland, not Germany.
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I’m a firm believer that if we only accepted art based on the morality of the artist, the whole world would be a bleak shade of grey.
Gotta separate the two. You can say “X was an incredible artist and I appreciate their work, but holy shit were they a terrible human.”
We can acknowledge the spectrum of the human and let the good parts into the world and still shun the bad.
I think that’s an easier argument to make with someone who is dead, like H.P. Lovecraft. It’s a different story when the artist is still alive and actively profiting off the work you are consuming.
Piracy it is then!
As a black dude, I’m still not reading Lovecraft…
At this point there’s really no need to anyway. Plenty of works nowadays that capture the spirit of the sort of cosmic horror he wrote about without the atrocious xenophobia, or at least touch on the topic in ways that deconstruct and/or scrutinize those views in a much healthier and compelling way.
Yeah, that’s fair. He was so racist that even his contemporary racists were like “wtf?”
I would argue that it is not ethically possible to separate art from artist when consumption of their art can provide them any material benefit. If they’re dead, it’s a lot less likely to be problematic. Plus, there are plenty of great artists and writers out there who are not TERFs, nazis, or generally awful. Refusing them patronage is a double ethical failing of both lending aid to awful people and refusing to support smaller artists who have a harder time making a living when competing with the ethically bankrupt.
- Ep 5.
We’ve already seen the creep: first it was violent illegal immigrants, then it was any illegal immigrants, then it was immigrants waiting for due process on their case, then it was green card holders - not necessarily a lot of them, but enough to establish precedents and see how far they can get.
Now they’re saying “violent US citizen-criminals” - but they run the state that determines whether you’re a criminal and how violent your crimes was. Remember all those videos of non-resisting people being screened at by the cops “Stop resisting!”; remember bills in Florida and other states to label trans people sex offenders - that’s what we’re up against. Any resistance or non-conformity can and likely will be punished.
"First they came for … "
Also worth mentioning that they’ve only been snatching people off the street, meaning people who didn’t have any active warrants. If they did have warrants, they probably would have been arrested already. They’re not deporting people who are already in prison. At this point, “criminal” means anyone suspected of a crime, and that suspicion extends to any kind of criminal record, even if you’ve already served time.
Obviously, they’re going to drop the “criminal” pretense soon enough, but they will start grabbing ex-felons first. I’m terrified for members of my family who absolutely fit the description of these kinds of targets: ex-felons with tattoos who look vaguely brown.
Literally just having a tattoo–even without having any criminal history–is enough to be sent to the gulag.
they’re even inventing new language for it: “homegrowns”
I think it’s not new. “homegrown terrorist” -> “homegrowns”.
I’m speculating they’re going to use that angle. Using precedents set by The War on Terrorism ™ to justify the next steps. The 50501 movement needs to be preparing organized legal supports for anyone who gets disappeared. I bet this is who they are going after next. Summer is coming. The protests are ramping up. What if it’s as soon as the April 19th event.
The resistance is preparing for more than legal support I think
They send Mario’s brother and that might be the spark.
This is Lemmy, not Reddit. You can say Luigi Mangione. I’d say that would be my last straw but I’ve long since broken. I just don’t have direction.
PP is talking about saying “Fuck You” to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. And so it begins in Canada. Trump said exactly what he planned to do, and his followers were like, “I love this guy, he tells it like it is”. It is frightening that there are so many Canadians following this POS. 90,000,000 people didn’t vote in the US. Don’t be like them! VOTE VOTE VOTE 🇨🇦 ✊
Read up on Bukele, if you haven’t already. Yet another tyrannical blueprint for Trump.
I look forward to hearing of Trumps very timely, very well earned death. I hope tomorrow.
With the way things are going, that fuck would die peacefully in his sleep.
He’s already in hell. The fuck you think any of us are gonna do to him that he isn’t constantly torturing himself with. If you want him to suffer, you should be happy. ish.
No one mourns the wicked
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That’s a really good connection that people don’t say out loud enough.
My Great Grandmother shot and killed an officer that was taking her family away to a concentration camp. Is that where we’re heading?
That’s where you are I think.
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Heading? The early stages of the Holocaust we’re precisely that.
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It’s a pretty good likelihood that stuff like that is in our future.
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We’re there. Be ready to fight when they come.
Headed? No. We’re there. If men in masks are telling you they’re police and trying to stuff you in a van, that’s it. You get cuffed. You’re dead. Buy a gun while you can. Make your life cost a life preferably more. Don’t let them put you in a camp or ghetto. Not a bad idea to go to a large gun shop in a state with next to no gun laws, find a person window shopping guns, strike up a conversation, and see if you can arrainge a third party sell. Then they don’t know to be weary of you.
I’ve been warning everyone, people won’t fucking hear it. Disgusting.
remember during george w bush when people were upset that they were training the national guard to arrest us citizens? they had actors yelling stuff like “im a us citizen! you can’t arrest me! this violates the constitution!” and stuff like that?
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that sure was scary….
i think it comes down to grief and denial… people are very unable to cope with the idea that this could ever be real.
“oh congress will stop him though, oh the supreme court wouldn’t let that happen… no way the military would go through with that… americans all have guns, they’d never do that”.
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also noteworthy that roger stone was caught talking about how they need a plan to take guns from all the leftists… by calling them enemies of the state….it’s sad but ignorant americans are victims too… id say victims of brainwashing as well.
people who denied it don’t need a “ha i told you so!”, they need a, “what what did you say you’d do if it ever DID happen… because we’re here now in spite of our best hopes and doubts”.The NG can be used as law enforcement by the Governors though. That’s a legitimate training for them to get …
well, i ought to dig up a source… but can’t stomach dig through news videos from w.
but the things the people were being trained to say was disturbing….
this was right around when people were saying the abundance of new FEMA camps was nefarious (i don’t know how many they really made).
and homeland security created a national shortage of bullets for years, and some people found that to be ominous….
actually, homeland security being used to enforce unlawful orders by doge is kinda ominous to me, considering the bullet thing…
but yes, there’s a likelihood of NG being legitimately used to break up a violent protest or something…
in the unfindable video clip i saw, sounded more like rounding random people up, training… but people are bound to yell mind fuck shit at NG no matter what reason they’re getting detained for…
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“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?.. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation… We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
If there is no due process & the sentence is death, then Americans must resist arrest at all costs.
Americans are pussies and don’t understand what that means. they think screaming “please don’t” is enough.
so many are going to be sent to their deaths because they were civil about it for far too long.
I feel as though now is the time to resist at all costs.
Fuck you, Trump. Make yourself an enemy to all. We will not back down.
i upvoted you and the french guy that got banned. you’re both right. you bring the energy we need but he does make valid points. the left has been bullied far too much without fighting back over the last 10 years. some criticism is due.
A lot of criticism is due. But I, myself, am not the establishment Democrats. Taking it out on me in a Lemmy echo chamber isnt doing much to help the cause. In fact, it makes me so pissed that everyone is doubling down on generalizations. It just goes to show humans are humans, it doesnt matter what side you are on, hate is always strong.
Most people dont want to live in an opressive society. There is only right and wrong now, not right vs left.
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Oh keep downvoting. and keep talking big game. and keep not even getting up from your desk chair in your computer room/bedroom to do anything other than bathroom/eat.
Americans love to talk shit about other nations being pussies. Now your president is threatening to send your fellow citizens who are democrats to el Salvador prisons to die. in reality. will you post another status? downvote my post? or actually act?
Only fascists themselves try this hard to waste our time.
Get fucked, buddy. You’re an asshole. Your opinions are that of an asshole. You’re out here talking to yourself; it’s pathetic. I won’t answer any response you have to this, I’ll just block you.
Espouse your hate all you want; you’ll get the same reaction 100% of the time.
Edit: the dissent to this post you see below is purely fascists trying to waste your time.
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Bro what? I am a French anarcho communist who votes left and never hasnt. Been arrested three times for property damage during Paris protests tho!
You all tho, literally just talk shit. And never do anything. But elect Trump twice.
that explains your annoying outdated comments. referring to yourself as a extreme opposite of alt-right isnt exactly a flex.
so you are a nazi right winger? okay.
being anti-“that“ is also anti-fascist. i am absolutely anti-fascist. i believe in 1781 your guys got it right.
They do say often how much they want to be like the French protestors while scarfing MacDonald’s. Yet here we are.
What is MacDonald’s? We’re not in Scotland.
and yeah, what leader of mine has concentration camps in el salvador and just said he was sending “home growns” next?
it sure wasnt a french leader.
It rots my ass to see Americans sitting and taking it. Not just that but defending themselves for doing sweet fuck all while yam tits rages. They talk a lot of shit for how fucking docile and subservient they are. It’ll make it all the easier for us to wipe them out when they try take our country by force. My Acadian roots have me prepared for war. I’m an old man but I’m certainly not going to be some fascists pet dog.
What sort of response is this? You yell something and then quickly put you fingers in your ears?
Americans love to talk shit about other nations being pussies. To be fair, we also love to talk about how brave and special big boys we are. We then run around afraid of everything, but I’m sure those two attitudes are not related.
Our national anthem “home of the brave” is hilariously sad. We got attacked once in 2001 and we’ve been shitting all over ourselves ever since.
people still get up in arms when you diminish 9/11. Not “dark humor” joking. Just calling it out as an insignificant event… especially in the context of Palestine or even USA COVID-19 deaths. “But muh towers”
And we’ll keep watching the USA fall. While you do nothing but post comments and downvotes. We’ll be here taking insults from him and defending Ukraine and nato treaties. While you all post, and downvotes. And order ubereats. And work. And voice super angry opinions in comment sections. Keep it up guys!
Don’t cut yourself on all that edge, kid.
huh? its edgy to suggest you fight in the streets to prevent american citizens being sent to el salvador prisons to die? uh…. in my country thats way past the point of a general strike and riot
I’m curious how far you’d have to march to riot against the rulers of your country?
Look, Idk what I did to you, but I got more going on than just Lemmy. Sorry you dont see Sanctus out there IRL, you wont. I dont look like this.
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Lmao. This 🤡
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I really wonder how all the protest voters feel about all of this. Not what they’d say they feel, because we’ve all seen their smug and entitled responses- no, what I want to know is; how they actually and honestly feel about all of this.
Because even though I voted, I’ve seriously thought about it. I’ve tried to put myself in the shoes of someone who has EVERY reason to ask themselves if all of this was worth the entitlement-driven single-issue excuse to avoid doing the bare minimum it would have taken to hold on to the last shred of our democracy- to avoid having to have participated in what might have been America’s last election.
Yeah. I’m fucking angry.
And I’m not yet ready to forgive the assholes that helped make this happen. And part of the reason is that while I’ve seen post after post and meme after meme of even the conservatives questioning their reasoning in voting for that corrupt little felonious mouth-breathing gremlin, I haven’t see even ONE of these third party/non-voters so much as make a peep in the general vicinity of remorse.
If they want to talk about rallying behind a cause- as we see them doing here so many times, they should first start by fessing up and own their shit, because in an adult world, anyone that can admit their mistakes proves they have the honesty, maturity, and humility it takes to deserve trust.
Otherwise- I see no reason to trust them any further than I would a conservative.
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So. Your answer is to whine about my comment and offer nothing but ad hominem?
You could have easily just kept scrolling, or even just blocked me…
but wait!
Was there something I’ve said or something I’m doing that bothered you enough to want to complain about it? Do you feel better for having vented your anger and frustrations into words?
Imagine that!
(Oh, and for the record- EVERYONE posts their personal “butthurt” feelings about shit in pretty much every single post on lemmy- even you, genius. Or are you forgetting that modlogs are public?)
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So you’re complaining about my pointing out the fact that someone is complaining about my complaint?
I wonder… how many layers can this have?
No I’m not complaining I’m Stating a fact. If you’re gonna be like this why don’t you just stay on Reddit?
So my stating a fact is complaining, but your complaining is staring a fact?
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96And as I remember, Reddit was full of people that complained a lot about people complaining….
A LOT.
Oh no! Someone who engages instead of downvoting! Imagine that! I must put more emotion into it without addressing anything the person said!! lol I’ve already seen where this is going which is why I figured I would save anyone else the trouble and reply to your constant whining before someone else got sucked in. Thank you for making it clear why you’re doing all this though, you have no other way to express yourself or move on. Good luck with all that, if I run into you in the future I’ll make sure to stick with one reply and watch ya fizzle out. Maybe this all might help you in the long run.
Wait… you want an award because through all your nonsense blathering and personal attacks that weren’t even relevant to any point- you didn’t downvote me?
Well why didn’t you say so, my guy?
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There ya go!
(In fairness, I did’’t notice the .ml, otherwise I’d have given you your little gold star right out of the gate to avoid this disaster of a discussion)
lol defaulting to an instance attack, you’re such a parody.
Anyone can see from our last conversation that even when replying in good faith you just refuse to engage, there is no point in trying to bring any sort of real conversation with you.
Anyone can also see from your modlog, you’ve been crying about voters for months and are still continuing to do so.
idk wtf the award pivot was trying to do or what you’re even trying to say lol. Again, I’m glad I could engage with you so someone else doesn’t have to and possibly thinking you might actually be a real person to have a conversation with. The only reason I’ve gone this far is so people can actually see the links and how you respond. Blocking doesn’t help if it just means someone else has to put up with you instead.
And I stand by my every argument against cutting these clowns slack because they have finally decided that now is the time to stand up against Trump.
They should lie in the bed they fucking made right alongside the rest of us. They don’t get to just blend in with everyone that actually tried to stop this. They need to own it and apologize. And they need to be reminded EVERY FUCKING TIME THIS ADMINISTRATION DOES SHIT LIKE THIS THAT IT IS PARTIALLY THEIR FAULT.
Because if we EVER have another election and we EVER find ourselves here again, they need to know what damage that comes from smug entitlement.
And lastly- I don’t really give a shit that you are upset by this anymore than I’d expect you to give a shit that I’m pissed off about a bunch of childish entitled kids that haven’t a clue about how anything works enough to get off their asses and vote.
Don’t like it? Block me.
But all you’re doing is complaining about complaining. So…. Maybe have a seat in this boat of mine.
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lol you must really not talk to anyone outside of the internet if you think anything you said sounds remotely sane or like you aren’t an entitled child trying to sound smug.
They need to be removed
whatcha mean by that bud? I think you’re getting confused with all your edits.
You need to ask the same question to your politicians, not voters. If its such a big issue why didnt the democratic party stand for anything? Winning was absolutely on the table, your establish dems didnt want to win either. Thats the problem.
Your dems didnt “help” make this happen, they made it happen arm in arm with right wing extremists. You think just because they call themselves democrats they arent right wing or fascist? America is so far right wing and filled with propaganda the populace cant make sense of it and still think they have a proper opposition party - you dont.
You wanted more people to vote? Just as many would have voted for Trump as well, wow good job.
I can ask the question to both.
But if your only part in keeping fascism out of America is through voting- and you won’t even do that, you’re part of the problem that caused it.
There is no other way this can be.
I wonder what kind of payoff Bukele is getting from Trump to keep someone that Bukele admits was wrongly sent to El Salvador but he refuses to return him.
20k/year. TL;DR, it’s also making the country poorer, so no financial benefits whatsoever. It’s just pure spite and hatred…and for what?
At least Nazis made soap from them, and made them work. At least they had the excuse of needing land, improving the species.
Trump is just THEY BROWN, BROWN = CRIMINAL, CRIMINAL = EVIL!
Unfortunately, the dudes probably dead already. Happened to that American student years ago in South Korea too. He was on a trip and got sentenced to a slave camp for “defacing a poster” if I recall, and as the family was fighting for his release, oops he’s in a body bag now. At least they sent his body back for the family.
Assuming you mean North Korea, and yeah, probably dead.
