I always tell my kids about survival jobs. Youtube, Twitch, being an artist are all gigs. Most of these people have another job. Even professional actors have a job than acting, same as authors.
And don’t forget that sometimes websites can randomly close your account without warning and reason given. They will just say you violated their terms of use without telling you what you did.
Years ago I tried to make a living on eBay, making up to $5K a month with an eBay store. The only problem was that they would randomly shut me down for a few days, a week, even a month, with little to no information as to why. Whenever there was information, it simply wasn’t true. There was nobody to appeal to, and any contact was met with a canned email.
Worse, they didn’t just suspend my store, they would delete it entirely, so when the suspension ended, I would have to rebuild my entire store from scratch (over 200 different items). To compound the issue, any transactions that were processing at the time of the suspension kept going without being able to make contact with them, causing lost sales and bad customer service, resulting in poor reviews that dragged my rating down. I was busting my ass to operate professionally, and my only problem was eBay itself.
Eventually, compounded with issues with PayPal, I concluded that I could never make a living using those sketchy platforms. Occasionally, I’ll buy something on eBay, but I’ve never used it to sell anything since.
Wow, I hope you were able to move elsewhere for your online store. It sucks easy did that. There is a human you can get to but that was years ago. Last time was in 2020 when I talked to a human in chat when I was having an issue with my order.
Not sure if it changed.
Back in 2004/5 there was nobody to speak with. It was all by email, and the only response was just a form letter.
And no, there was no place else to go, I just stopped doing that business, and started an entirely different, off line, business.
I didnt realize it was that long ago. Ebay has changed a lot. It used to be, people just sold stuff there to get rid of and then people started to do businesses on it and now it’s catered towards professional sellers than for people who just want to get rid of stuff. There are payouts now. Most items are buy it now than bidding. Not so much of an auction site.
Depends on what you do I guess, I’ll admit I didn’t feel like watching the video. There’s always Kickstarter, or Etsy, or eBay? Or GoFundMe if you want to just outright beg for money.
After watching the video, fuck Apple for taking an exhorbitant 30% cut, and fuck Patreon for demanding that creators use the Apple in-app purchase system. This is shown at 7:10 if you want to skip past a lot of her fluff.
“Hey guys come catch all my new videos on my own website”
Put the old stuff on YouTube, FB, insta, tiktok, and encourage traffic to your site.
Profit.
These platforms have incentives to keep you on the platform. So their recommendation algos will purposefully down rank stuff that tries to convert to elsewhere.
Pretty much, allows you to set your own content policy really, as long as you don’t break laws the only risk then is for the domain name. Not sure what you would have to do for most domain registrars to drop your domain.
You trying to ask creators to create stuff? Crazy talk. That’s so 2006.
tl;dw? Watched the first several minutes but still not even sure what it’s about.
they’re removing creators’ ability to charge per creation and forcing them to charge only via monthly subscription.
It’s an absolutely dick move by Patreon.
I guess Patreon figure it will make them as a platform more money, because people tend to forget about subscriptions and just let them keep going.
But it’s awful for creators who release less frequently, because people will start to feel cheated when months go by and they don’t get anything. And I’m sure the creators won’t enjoy that pressure either.
It’s like Patreon are cracking the whip, telling creators “Work faster, you have to justify your monthly subscription now!”
Assholes.
I guess I just be weird because an ongoing monthly subscription to a creator is never something I’m willing to consider, though I have made many one-time contributions.
It’s about time for patreon to start being crappy, and lose to the next challenger who is good, if the cynic calendar is on point in this case.
Wow, that’s sure gonna fuck a lot of creator that put out content once every few months.
Interesting, I wonder why they would do that…
More stable revenue for the shareholders maybe
I wondered too. It was explained here: https://lemmy.world/post/28040267
They don’t really seem to know for sure either. I’d heard about the Apple issue a long time ago so it’s curious that’s it’s being brought up now.
Obligatory Fuck Apple.
True. I should have said that there was enough information there to satisfy my interest in the matter. Which was small.
And this is why platforms are nice yet cutting the middle man is important. There was a time before walled gardens.
You kinda need a payment processor unless you want people to start mailing cash in the post.
Before people ruined it this was one of the ideas behind crypto
I hate so much everytime I remember what cryptocurrency was supposed to be and what has become.
For a little while I bought coffee and strawberries with Bitcoin back more than 9ish years ago. It was pretty cool easy with the first apps.
Worked well.
I got some works my a couple of contracts. So not so much Fiat was needed. Only later.
If nothing else it’s a bit of a faff. But again you’d need someone to convert it to fiat for it to be useful in every day life, which isn’t super removed from a payment processor. It’s pretty much difficult to get away from a middleman somewhere.
The idea is it becomes the fiat
Direct bank transfers. Those are a thing.
p.s
They commented, I replied. Is it that exotheric of an idea? I can transfer money anywhere I want, to any bank account. You want to support someone, send them money directly.
There was a world before PayPal.
That’s still a payment processor; just now you’ve completely deanonimized both parties.
What is this? Mafia? If you have my account number that is it. You can send me money but you can’t get anything out of it.
Widely sharing your bank details isn’t usually considered a great idea.
My bank number account is a string of numbers. Besides the country and bank entity code, no other information can be obtained and no movements can be ordered on it by a non titular.
Money can be transfered in but the account can’t be moved by anyone but the titular.
You’d be happy to post it on Lemmy with any required routing information?
If I was a creator of content, looking to have a direct way for people to support me, yes.
Are you interested in sponsoring my idiocy? Save your hard earned income; I wouldn’t pay myself.
A simple no would’ve done.
We need to get rid of gatekeepers!
it must be really hard to google “patreon alternative”
I mean you could add this suggestion under that video, so that she sees it right?
Indeed. She doesn’t talk about alternatives in this video, she hasn’t made other videos talking about alternatives, hasn’t setup her own website etc…
I’m not sure how she could pay her bills of she didn’t have advice from randos on the internet…
Onlyfans!
Stop ducking whining about it and go get a job. You act like they’re aren’t other platforms you could easily jump into, or after 10 years maybe just ask for donations in a website you can create in about a week, or an hour if your already know how to build a website and some need to learn how to do that
It’s like the vast majority of people haven’t had to deal with losing stable income their whole lives
Go touch grass you entitled… Something
She has set up her own website. She has been exploring alternatives for years, she is on Mastodon, Peertube etc…
You’re having a meltdown because an artist is sharing whats’s happening in her life. Guess what, tons of people love that. You’re insulting someone you don’t now shit about because shares update on her work situation… With the people that pay for her work?
You’re the one that needs to touch grass.
What a god damn stupid response. Good lord.
Patreon is the asshole, not the people Patreon is fucking.
