A video, discovered on the cellphone of a paramedic who was found along with 14 other aid workers in a mass grave in Gaza in late March, shows that the ambulances and fire truck that they were traveling in were clearly marked and had their emergency signal lights on when Israeli troops hit them with a barrage of gunfire.
What I don’t get is that almost nothing is happening. They are systematically and blatantly committing the most atrocious warcrimes and there is no outcry by the nations. What they do in one day would be enough to denounce any weaker developing country. The west is showing once again that the international community is really all about control, capitalism and racism.
How is it just blamed on “the west”. China, India and other “Eastern” countries are in the UN as well. Would you not have to say it just shows they care nothing about the international community and it is really about their control and power as well? The world is watching executions around the world, and people are just being censored to/from it by their governments. Israel’s biggest trading partner is China by far, almost twice the U.S. Not any huge press from them about stopping.
Good point, I don’t disagree. China doesn’t have a history of writing human rights on their flags though.
Of all countries on this earth, Israel is without doubt the nastiest, most cruel, least human, most bigoted, worst possible country of them all. The people who have chosen to move to Israel as outsiders are IMO just at responsible for any death of innocent children. Are you an American “Jew”? Well good for you. now fucking stay the fuck where you belong instead of terrorizing random families thousands of miles away under the excuse that you own their house or whatever fucking messed up crap you can come up with. I have edited this comment to remove a section which I was made aware is Anti-Semitic due to conflating Judaism with Zionism - thanks for making me aware. I got carried away and regret the harsh tone of the original comment.
There are plenty of anti-Israeli Jews. Don’t paint us all with the same brush.
Anti Israeli Jews are very brave in my book.
Nearly every Jewish institution has been infected with the cancer that is zionism.
The crazy thing is that you’d think of all the people in the world, the Jews in Israel would understand the importance of compassion and giving other groups of people respect and dignity. As it turns out, the fastest way to make a Nazi is to have someone live through their atrocities.
This is historically inaccurate. Zionism predates the holocaust by decades. It has always been a fascist ideology and zionists often collaborated with the nazis. The idea of a “pure” racist state is the common goal.
Jews who understand all of this oppose zionism.
To be fair, one should acknowledge the conditions in Europe under which Zionism was created. In a growing wave of antisemitism at the end of the 19th century, Dühring wrote in a 1881 pamphlet:
He described the “Jewish question” as an expression of an irresolvable racial antagonism, and openly advocated for the “murder and extermination” of Jews as a solution to the Jewish question.
Many scholars believe that Dühring’s invention of a modern-sounding antisemitism helped persuade Theodor Herzl that Zionism was the only answer.
There was a growing fear that there could be no cultural assimilation and that Jews would continue to be persecuted, as they, in fact, were. Zionism was a proposed solution to that atmosphere of hate. It’s easy with the foresight of 150 years to label it as a flawed idea.
This is not an excuse for modern day Israel’s actions, and obviously the conditions for Jews in Europe are better today (since we are just scapegoating Muslims nowadays instead), it’s just an understanding of how the fuck we got to this point.
Early Zionists even openly acknowledged that the only way for them to escape persecution was to persecute and expel the inhabitants of Palestine.
And it doesn’t change the fact that Israel and Zionists still the Holocaust as an excuse for their actions.
This right here! I have been astounded at this over and over. If there was ever a group that should be sensitive to the idea of genocide it should be the Israelis, but instead they have simply adopted the beliefs and behavior of their worst oppressors.
And then when anyone dares to criticize them, they go right to playing the genocidal victim of the Nazis - who they are obviously emulating!
Frankly, I don’t have a lot of sympathy for their enemies either. If they could manage to gather the same power as Israel, they would happily unleash it in return, and murder every single Israeli. BOTH sides are fully, unapologetically dedicated to the genocide of the other side. Neither is worthy of support.
It’s incomprehensible.
You shouldn’t both sides a genocide just as a rule of thumb tho
Except when it’s true.
I agree with much of what you’re saying… But it’s antisemitic to conflate judaism with zionism.
Zios can be jewish, christian, atheist, “muslim”, etc. Conversely many jews are not zionist.
There’s little reason to even talk about jewish people when the actual problem is the genocidal ideology of zionism.
Thank you for this, it is always nice to be corrected and actually learn something. I do apologise for the original comment and how it came out more harsh than intended. It is good to know there are actually many Jewish people who do not identify with Israel’s actions and don’t consider themselves Zionists. It is too easy to get revved up and write angry things on the internet. Thankfully this is a good media and people are actually being helpful and providing some great feedback.
Interesting thing that there are more Zionist Christians than Jewish (is it called Jewish or Jews in this case?) Definitely worth reading up on this part.
is it called Jewish or Jews in this case?
Jews. A thing can be Jewish, a group of people can be Jews. Another rule of thumb you can use is adjective vs noun.
somehow this went from defending themselves against terrorist’s, to them becoming terrorists as well
Always has been
They were never defending anything. Their victims just decided to fight back.
The state of Israel was founded by genocidal terrorists
Religion as a concept and religious states are nothing short of fascism. It doesn’t matter if the upmost entity is fictional, and the power is actually wielded by kings or popes and such, or if it’s Hitler, at the end it’s all the same: A way to suppress and mass murder anyone and anything that doesn’t please the Führer(s).
Zionism is a secular/atheist project. It was strongly opposed by religious Jews at the beginning and still is by many. They had to work very strongly to create some religiously painted zionism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
You are blaming the side of ethnic Jewish people that mostly opposed Zionism for it. And especially blaming it on the religion is strange, as their motivation for opposing Zionism is religious.
I have the feeling that many people are just projecting their experiences and concepts of their brand of extremist Christians (Evangelical, hardcore Catholics…) onto Jews and Muslims.
Yes, it’s totally the christians double-death-sentencing 16 year olds for being homosexual and not believing in god, not the UAE government.
Religion as a concept should not exist. Genocides, mass enslaving and gassing are almost all results of religion and religion-like structures. It’s no wonder that countries built, formed and led by religions clash with other countries, as almost every religions literal only purpose is to 1) provide comfort for people in need and 2) establish and burn that batshit crazy believe in every humans mind, bind them to the leaders indefinitely and take over literally every speck of the earth, because only that religion is correct, and should rule. You know what other moves had that exact same signature, motives and effects? Correct, the NSDAP under Hitler. Which is why it’s literally seen as a “replacement-religion” - it combines everyone under one small group of leaders, with bullshit takes and erases everything else. The only difference being that religion (again, as a concept, not the people) is much more subtle, at least in modern times. But as we see, everywhere, especially in countries with religion (religious leaders themselves) as the defacto government, it still very much exists.
As long as religion has any power, and can therefore fulfill purpose 2, it’s literal fascism. We need to destroy each and every government and large religious organizations, remove any power from lobbies and churches, and provide all children with neutral information about everything, including religion. So they can themselves choose to believe in bullshit, so it may help them, but without granting anyone arbitrary power by those beliefs.
So you still claim that the crimes of secular/atheist organizations are to be blamed on religion?
Because the criticism you attribute to religiously painted states or organizations can be equally put to secular/atheist organizations.
French Colonialism was secular. The Nazis were largely Atheists. Stalin and Mao were notorious for slaughtering religious people and destroying religious organizations. B.P., BASF, DuPont and other large polluting companies… All secular. Zuckerberg, Musk, Thiel, all Atheists. You would have to equally demand the destruction of all Atheism by your logic, which then ends up in a fallacy.
Or you would have come to terms with the fact that presence or absence of outwardly presented religion does not have any indication as to what is in peoples hearts of good and evil.
If you believe in the destruction of Religion i recommend you to look at the work of Stalin. That is what systematic destruction of Religion looks like in practice.
Militant atheists will never cease to amaze me with the nonsense they come up with (and how they say “religion” but can only think of Christianity as an example).
I don’t like cringy atheist but he’s right. Having a state religion makes you an ethnostate who threat people differently according to what one believe in.
You’re thinking of a theocracy.
But the UK has a state religion, the Church of England, but they’re neither a theocracy nor an ethnostate.
Today they aren’t, but when they first broke from Rome/The Pope, they certainly were genocidal. The English purge of Catholicism was brutal, and then the power went back and forth, both in England and France, with a brutal murderous crackdown with each regime change, all based on Protestants vs Catholics.
Eventually they wore themselves out, and evolved to the place we are now, but today’s “peaceful” state religion is built on a foundation of murder, torture, and genocide.
All true, but still doesn’t make them a theocracy or ethnostate (except for the bits where the king claimed to be appointed by God himself).
Israel is an ethnostate because they are deliberately ethnically homogenous and view Arabs as inferior on an institutional scale, not because of their state religion. A state with a religious ruling class is called a theocracy.
I see what you’re saying because religion has societal and cultural impacts that reinforce specific behaviours, but not all states that have a state religion are actually theocracies in the traditional sense.
That’s not what an ethnostate is, but either way that’s not the point. Treating people differently according to what they believe in isn’t “nothing short of fascism” and “a way to suppress and mass murder anyone and anything that doesn’t please the Führer(s)”. Having legal discrimination doesn’t make a state fascist, because that’s literally not what fascism is. It’s not even a useful way to analyze the behavior of states today or historically.
You: appartheid is cool actually.
It is litterally what fascism is. A strongman leader protecting the in group.
https://academic.oup.com/book/742/chapter-abstract/135399669
NoneOfUrBusiness is one of the most consistent anti genocide, anti apartheid voices in Lemmy.
Enough so that I recognize their username even without tags.
They’re making a point here, and it isn’t to justify Israels apartheid or genocide.
You: appartheid is cool actually
There are bad things other than fascism.
A strongman leader protecting the in group.
The fuck? No that’s not what fascism is. I mean even if it was that’s not what most religion-based states now or throughout history are, but even if it was that’s literally not what fascism is. The central tenet of fascism is worship of the state and active, escalating persecution of an outgroup to persuade an ingroup to willingly give up their freedom. Fascism, unlike most other state ideologies, does not seek equilibrium; it is always starved for an Enemy to exploit and persecute in increasingly harmful ways to satisfy the ingroup, which is why it inevitably collapses. This dynamic is core to fascism as a concept, and noticeably absent from most states throughout history—religious or otherwise—because running full speed ahead towards collapse just isn’t a smart way to set up a state.
To repeat: You said that fascism is a strongman leader protecting the ingroup, but that’s not true; fascism requires the strongman leader to go on the offensive in order to chase a made up vision of greatness for the ingroup and keep that up permanently.
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Oh yeah fair enough, recently they use Judaism too.
and throughout world history it has been well established that religion in general will be used by those in power to accomplish their goals. sometimes those people are willing to kill in the name of said goals or beliefs.
Yeah but “Religion as a concept and religious states are nothing short of fascism”? “A way to suppress and mass murder anyone and anything that doesn’t please the Führer”? Setting aside the ridiculousness of this take in and of itself, it’s incredibly reductive. What’s the difference between the Abbasid Caliphate, the Holy Roman Empire and the French Empire? Well it doesn’t matter because they’re all nothing short of literally fascist!
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It’s always been like this, but more importantly: The IDF aren’t (at least primarily) terrorists; they’re a Jewish Wehrmacht launching a war of extermination on the people of Gaza. Calling that terrorism implies that they’re equal to Hamas rather than subjecting Palestinians one of the worst crimes a state can commit.
Literally.
In 1948, both Irgun and Lehi disbanded and merged into the newly formed IDF, though some former members later entered israeli politics. (Yitzhak Shamir: Prime Minister of israel (1983–84, 1986–92). Initially Lehi’s operations chief, he later led the Likud party and upheld hardline Zionist policies)
No points for guessing which party Bibi belongs to, and which currently holds power.
Are you talking about the genocidal invaders? lmao.
They straight up ambushed those guys. Makes me wonder if the car accident was staged specifically to attract emergency workers.
Israel shooting medics, throwing them in a mass grave and then lying about it? Better not talk about it, or we might be labelled as antisemites and/or terrorist supporters.
The cruelty is the point. These bastards don’t care about human rights.
Wow, even the NYT is reporting on it?
Wow I’m so shocked that those genocidal wackos would murder even more people. Totally unheard of. \s \s \s
I seriously think at some point a dirty bomb is going to go off in Tel Aviv based on the actions the Israelis take today.
Watch Til Kingdom Come. full doc is on youtude.
In 2017, when Trump’s America abandoned the 2 state solution and went in full throated support of Israel with recognisation of Jerusalem, it was the spark that lead to this whole situation. Now that Trump is back in power, his Christian fundamentalist backers are sitting back and awaiting their rapture. Fucking crazy shit.
And I think there will be a 50% chance that it will be a false flag operation to justify further atrocity
Sounds like the exact thing right there. Fucking disgusting risking your own citizens lives for clout and casus belli
Y’know, I’m starting to think those Israelis are a bunch of fucking assholes.
If they do just one more genocide I’m gonna start getting a little angry
I lay the blame at the IDF and their far-right Likud government who has openly said they will protect any IDF soldiers accused of war crimes.
I don’t wish to tar a whole country with the same brush.
This video shows why Israel needs our aid so badly. With a few billion more dollars, they can implement badly needed training that will keep their troops from firing on rescue workers or bombing hospitals.
“advancing suspiciously”
Any Palestinian moving is advancing suspiciously by IDF definition
the paramedic who filmed the video was later found with a bullet in his head in the mass grave. His name has not been disclosed yet because he has relatives living in Gaza concerned about Israeli retaliation
“We killed your son, and it came to light, so now we’re going to kill you.”
It’s truly hard to fathom the depth of evil in isreal right now. And we’re fucking funding it. We’re arming them, and paying them to continue. Meanwhile AIPAC continues to fund primaries against our politicians that speak out. The US is a fucking joke.
Don’t forget, the US pays for Israel is to come to the US to train their police departments into believing that every civilian is basically a terrorist that needs to be killed.
Yeah well if they’re in Gaza Israel wants to (and eventually will) kill them regardless.
Awesome to have these two headlines right next to each other in my feed:
Video Shows Aid Workers Killed in Gaza Under Gunfire Barrage, With Ambulance Lights On
Senate Democrats overwhelmingly reject restricting US arms sales to Israel
the US Senate has resoundingly voted in support of continuing the genocide in Gaza by rejecting two resolutions aimed at blocking some $9 billion in weapons to the Israeli government.
Cory Booker, recently hailed in the corporate press for talking for 25 hours straight on the Senate floor—without blocking a vote on legislation or a Trump judicial nomination—voted against both resolutions.
The Democrats, and some Republicans too, might be anti-Trump but they still don’t represent us
On a similar article, a lot of people on reddit were saying that they could be terrorist on disguise, therefore is on to kill them (attempt to) ask, and that’s all good as per Geneva convention.
My reply was deleted, my account banned and my will to stay on that platforms eliminated.
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reddit is absolutely unusable.
I got banned for similar behavior, but I still lurk there sometimes. Recently I read an upvoted comment along the lines of: “I would rather have the Nazi for government than live with these hamas supporters and wokists.”
There are hundreds of other examples of how biased toward fascism this platform has become. From my understanding, many moderators of large subreddits (e.g., r/worldnews, r/mapporn, r/news, r/geopolitics) have been purged and replaced with state-affiliated actors like literal IOF soldiers.
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Sorry I’ve never heard of IOF before. Is that another faction now? I’m guessing it’s not my first instinctual guess “Internet of Fascists” lol.
Not OP but it stands for Israeli occupation force, because calling them the IDF is a joke
Ah, thank you for clarifying that! I had a guess it was somewhere in that neighborhood but I hadn’t seen it in use before. Now I know.
“Internet Of Fucked” would have been my guess.
Lol after “WTF” my brain also immediately jumps there when encountering unfamiliar acronyms with a huge letter F. XD
r/worldnews is Israeli gov’t propaganda
Don’t worry, you would have also been banned if you had depicted israelis suffering the same abuse at the hands of Palestinians. They REALLY don’t like to imagine that.
A lot of fucked up things in all that, but them condoning killing civilians is apparently okay, but asking how Trump hasn’t been killed yet for trying to turn USA into a fascist dictatorship gets you banned.
That’s what got me here.
Zionists bending over backwards rationalizing their war crimes as just anti-terrorist attacks while they are invading another country is the ultimate mental 4D chess.
When not being like you it’s there crime, everybody is a valid target
