Germany has recently taken a chilling new step, signalling its willingness to use political views as grounds to curb migration. Authorities are now moving to deport foreign nationals for participating in pro-Palestine actions. As I reported this week in the Intercept, four people in Berlin – three EU citizens and one US citizen – are set to be deported over their involvement in demonstrations against Israel’s war on Gaza. None of the four have been convicted of a crime, and yet the authorities are seeking to simply throw them out of the country.
The accusations against them include aggravated breach of the peace and obstruction of a police arrest. Reports from last year suggest that one of the actions they were alleged to have been involved in included breaking into a university building and threatening people with objects that could have been used as potential weapons.
But the deportation orders go further. They cite a broader list of alleged behaviours: chanting slogans such as “Free Gaza” and “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”, joining road blockades (a tactic frequently used by climate activists), and calling a police officer a “fascist”. Read closely, the real charge appears to be something more basic: protest itself.
„It’s not holocaust when brown people are dying”
~white people
*some white people
Isn’t putting a whole race in one category some of what the issue is in this world? Plenty of people disapprove of the inhumane shit going on but there’s only so much that can be done by the small numbers of those in the lower class. If it’s so easy to fix all this, why are you sitting on your computer rather than being out there trying to do something about it?
I’ve protested and spread the word, doing everything short of picking up a gun and going after politicians (which would surely end up with me dead for naught). Tired of seeing this shit.
#notallmen vibes
germans talking about jews, at that.
I’m EU citizen, I go into Germany if I so please. I’ll do it and I’ll do it again.
Zionists on the post 4 days ago were less quirky than on this one.
Beautiful display of this brainrot ideology, if you can’t deny it, it’s antisemitism…
If a Genocide wasn’t being conducted against Palestinians, it would be comical how detached these people are.
Here we go again, only the US is joining them this time. 🙄
European far right party in the back taking notes. ‘Oh! So you can do that! Interesting.’
and calling a police officer a “fascist”
No, Germany, bad Germany. You’ve done this twice already, haven’t you fucking learned?
Nope…I can only handle one Western country going down the batshit stupidity rabbit hole at a time.
Germany… forever pro-genocide cvnts
Name a more dynamic duo: German 🤝 being on the wrong side of history
Bro defends a terrorist organisation that wants to eradicate an entire religion and thinks he’s on the right side.
I fucking can’t lmao.
By the IDF’s own numbers, the IDF has a worse civilian collateral damage rate than Hamas.
Hamas has zero tanks, zero airplanes, zero competence. I’m pretty sure they’d lose a war to a number of New World Cartels. That’s not really a real comparison.
You defend a genocidal state that is carpet bombing civilians and commiting war crime everyday God makes and you think you’re on the right side?
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Ehi ehi! I found the zionazi!! How does it feel to swallow this much bibi cum and be satisfied? Did you say thank you to the IDF for killing kids and setting hospitals on fire?
“We are so moral and everyone hates us. Are these rocks khamas??? I think someone need to change my diaper.”
do you want me to send you some israeli citizens saying this? Cause the internet is full of these.
setting hospitals on fire
The hamas is using civilian buildings like hospitals, schools etc as bases. So yes - they are being bombed.
Reading the rest of your brainfart, any discussion with you is futile tho.
Your high school deserved to be bombed, since it had an ROTC unit in it.
The hamas is using civilian buildings like hospitals, schools etc as bases. So yes - they are being bombed.
Proof?
I bet you keep these thoughts for you in the real world (or you live in colonised Palestine). Why don’t you go out in a bar and film yourself shouting this? Show us your guts big boy.
Also because you are so fucking stupid that you don’t know that IDF is actually using human shields (do you wanna see some photo of the pigs?).
Also also because if THE hamas (😂) was hiding in a Israeli hospital (this is fake news, its not reality you stupid moron) means we can bomb an Israeli hospital and kill israeli kids no? Right? It would be okay for you right? The hamas is hiding!
Lol you’re still upholding that “huMaN shielD bullshit”.
Gaza is the size of Manhattan and pretty much as dense. Of course they’re in the middle of civilians, asshole, they’re in a concentration camp.
Everything you said is false.
Oh really?
Hamas literally made a “recruitment video” about digging up water pipes: https://youtu.be/04NB27x138Y
The part where israel warns the population is true tho - confirmed by many people who literally got these messages on their phones. A german journalist even showed the message he received while being near gaza. Also, why do you think videos exist where the cam is lying on the ground BEFORE the attack hits? Because they know in advance.
The part of “forced their own people to stay in buildings that are bombed” I can’t proof tbf - however, there are big indicators like people showing signs of restraint in bombed buildings, indicating they were tied to a chair or something similar to avoid escape. Hamas traditionally haven’t given a rats ass about the population, so this isn’t even far fetched and a realistic scenario.
Also false. Astounding how every single thing Zionists say is a lie you can debunk in one google search. Yet they keep saying it.
They wouldn’t need “free” water, electricity, or go to Israel for a job if they had autonomy.
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Hmm… Perhaps you’re ignorant of the definition of “genocide”. Allow me to enlighten you:
Genocide (noun):
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The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of a national, racial, religious, or ethnic group.
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The systematic killing of a racial or cultural group.
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The systematic killing of substantial numbers of people on the basis of ethnicity, religion, political opinion, social status, or other particularity.
(source: wordlink).
- the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group.
(source: Merriam-Webster).
Genocide is violence that targets individuals because of their membership of a group and aims at the destruction of a people.[a][1] Raphael Lemkin, who first coined the term, defined genocide as “the destruction of a nation or of an ethnic group” by means such as “the disintegration of [its] political and social institutions, of [its] culture, language, national feelings, religion, and [its] economic existence”.[2]
(source: Wikipedia)
I hope that clears a few things up.
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Gaza has had autonomy for 20 years.
Gaza has less autonomy than Belarus.
Israel did pulled out of Gaza. They kept large part of the west bank to colonize, leading to the downfall of the Fatah and the rise of Hamas.
Jews are fine. In fact plenty of jews opposes Israel shit.
You specifically though, I don’t know if you’re Jewish, but you’re definitely a piece of shit
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No Other reAsOn ThAn beiNg JewiSh
A two-year-old Palestinian was shot and killed by Israeli forces. On 1 June, an Israeli soldier shot and injured the child, as well as his father, with live ammunition; the boy succumbed to a head injury four days later. According to the Israeli military, as reported by the media, the soldier mistakenly identified the car where the father and the child were sitting as the source of a shooting attack towards a nearby Israeli settlement. Between 1 January and 12 June 2023, Israeli forces killed 21 Palestinian children in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, compared with 14 children killed during in the same period in 2022.
Yeah fr these four dudes were not “Pro-Palestine Protestors” they were threatening people with axes, calling police fascists, and chanting “from the river to the sea”. That was terrorism, and they’re bejng let off incredibly lightly.
“From the river to the sea” is very naughty. It means they want to kick out our favorite ethnostate and then where would we ship all the bombs we get from subsidising our weapons industry.
We really have to deport those terrorists. They remind me I’m funding a genocide and I feel bad about myself now. Horrible people, really.
Every single state solution is a genocide solution.
Anyway a two state solution can be envision as long as israel isn’t one of them. Country who commited genocide don’t have the right to exist. We could do palestine-jordan for example, or gaza-jerusalem.
Every two-state solution is aimed at perpetuating at least one ethnostate. It’s basically segregation. Were you also in favor of having two states in south africa? One black and one white? How does that sound?
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What the actual fuck is going on with humanity?
People who want extreme ‘order’ are really good at organizing and fund raising, and breaking the law and daring the rest of us to do something about it. People who like making sure everyone has rights and those rights are protected aren’t.
I am not even sure why as a trans person one wants to support an islamic-extremist and authoritarian organization like Hamas. Honestly, I dont get it.
I mean yeah I dont want to make a case of supporting the other side either. But just think would rather wants you dead, Israel, or Hamas? I think I pretty much know the answer.
Yes, you know an answer to irrelevant question. Good job
Is it irrelevant though?
Lets take it to an extreme: Imagine in Gaza there would be a Nazi regime. Nazis who hate trans people and want them dead. Nazis living there with their families, innocent children etc.
I Understand that it would be worthwhile stopping war actions on all those innocent souls, but would I actively advocate for the Nazi party ruling this imaginary Gaza strip? Certainly not.
Hence, get your act together. Support an end of the war on Gaza, support innocent people. Dont support Hamas!
Supporting innocent people would be putting pressure on Izrael to stop killing medics. At the moment it’s Nazis against Nazis. It’s not black and white it’s black and a darker shade of black. If your opponent starts doing war crimes you don’t kill members of red cross.
Fucking seriously. Just how much of the world has always been a bunch of hateful shits who only needed a bigger asshole to kick things off?
fascism in Germany! now I’ve heard everything
How can Germany “deport” an EU citizen? Is there any way for them to block an EU citizen from coming back into Germany?
It can’t, municipalities and states can, and the EU law allowing for this requires showing they’re a threat to public safety (which is why it’s not a federal matter the federation doesn’t do public safety). The Berlin state government wants to expel some people, so far no other state has made similar moves, and it’s very questionable whether Berlin courts will let them do it. And then there’s federal courts. And then the ECJ.
Yeah, that’s the craziest thing. EU citizenship means you have freedom to be in any EU country. There is no “deporting” a citizen of the EU if you’re a country in the EU.
Yet here we are…
Yeah that is why “deportation” is the wrong word being used… It is an “opinion” piece from one Berlin based journalist, that obviously lacks some legal details or is trying to use a catchy headline. I especially like it when the article says the used “objects that could have been used as potential weapons”. It was fucking AXES they used and obviously the Uni employees were horrified when it happened. Not saying that is right to restrict EU citizens movement in such cases. I’d prefer a proper trial before that happens but they certainly didn’t behave very well.
In case of the US citizen I guess you could call it a deportation/expulsion.
Some translated legal background for you guys: Strictly speaking, in the case of EU citizens, this is not referred to as expulsion/deportation, but as loss of freedom of movement. ‘EU citizens entitled to freedom of movement can lose their right of residence for reasons of public order, security or health,’ according to the website of the Federal Ministry of the Interior.
Particularly stringent conditions apply to the loss of residence on grounds of public order or security. ‘There must be an actual and sufficiently serious threat to public order or security that affects a fundamental interest of society. This threat must be based on the personal behaviour of the EU citizen,’ writes the Federal Ministry of the Interior on its website.
People who do not come from the EU are referred to as deportees. This is the case here for one person. If a person from a third country jeopardises public safety and order, the free democratic basic order or other significant public interests through their stay, they can be expelled.
How can Germany “deport” an EU citizen?
Have a half-dozen men with guns grab the person, shove them into the back of a squad car, drive them to a jail, make them wait in the jail until transport can be arranged, drag them to a plane, force them onto the plane, fly the plane to an Israeli-occupied territory, kick the person out of the plane into the hands of some genocidal Israeli lunatics, and leave.
Is there any way for them to block an EU citizen from coming back into Germany?
Tear up their travel documents, for starters. Sending them to a country where they are at extreme risk of permanent arrest, torture, and execution also works.
Ok so just like in America
Not at all, nothing in the post you replied to is actually true.
None of that is true. There is due process, no hit squads. They will have the ability to bring this to court (a process which they already started). And deportation would happen to where they come from, so other EU countries and the US.
It really blows my mind. Masha Gessen, Nancy Fraser, Yuval Abraham, Omri Boehm, and also others not mentioned in the article. Who the fuck gave Germany the right to decide who is a good pro-Israel Jew and who is a bad anti-Israel Jew? Germany of all countries, being in the business of labelling Jewish people as acceptable and unacceptable. The fucking nerve on these people.
Germany has public broadcasters, which are controlled by councils made up of representatives of different groups like chourches, unions, enviormental groups and well Jews. That was part of trying to make sure that the Holocaust does not happen again. However the Jewish community in Germany is rather small, due to the Holocaust at about 100k. That group is also unlike American Jews extremly pro Israel. That is why anti zionist Jews are such a problem within Germany. So the Israel lobby works hard to get rid of them.
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Fuck israel, but this reads like rebranded antisemitism
It’s not unfair to say, given recent events, that Israel has an unusual amount of influence over Western countries.
Nothing antisemitic about it. Israel has the means and capabilities of running influence operations in a way that Palestine doesn’t.
“Jewish bankers”, however, is a pretty common antisemitic trope so I don’t think you’re wrong about this specific commenter
Thats exactly what this is. River to sea is also anti semitism. They just want to obliterate the jewish state in favour of pan arab imperialism under Islamic tutelage of Saudi, UAE etc/
Thankfully, those are just a very small percentage of protesters and the rest just want Israel to stop it’s genocidal baby killing machine.
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Uh… Arresting people for criticizing the government is Nazi behavior.
Where’s the freedom of expression?
I don’t even like the phrase “from the river to the sea…” because it implies denying the two-state solution, but even people I disagree with should be free to profess their political views without fear.
That’s a good point, because the protestors took a building by force and threatened staff and students with violence, while also smashing electronics into pieces.
I don’t think protests should go as far as to instill fear into innocent citizens.
When it comes to accusations in a functional state, innocence must be presumed. If they are brought to trial and fairly tried, they should then receive the appropriate sentence to their crimes, which could very well involve deportation. It’s trivial, but according to the article the individuals in question were not tried and convicted for any crimes. The current scenario is simply a violation of freedom of expression.
Ah yes they “threatened people with tools that might be considered as weapons”.
But of course they won’t tell what it is, that’s probably sound ridiculous
Meanwhile Japan is sitting there laughing, as they never really apologized for their warcrimes
& now are engaging in illegal whaling
even though it’s been 100 years
More like 80.
Nope. The Nazi party became active in 1920, so it’s just over 100 years.
Yes we have too little people coming here to fix the baby boomer hole. We need more.
Also refugees ≠ imigrants
Also everyone trades with china. Not saying its good. Just saying this isnt a thing anyone is not doing
The extra fun part is that all post industrial revolution countries have flat or falling populations. This includes Europe, Russia, China, Japan, South Korea, North America and parts of South America, and parts of the South Pacific. All of these regions need to import people if they want to keep using the same productivity and economic systems. The sheep lack of people is going to start causing major issues on all fronts.
This is going to put nations in a position to compete for immigrants with each other. It’s going to be a buyer’s market for young adults. Collectively, they need to make their labor more dear and nations need to treat people better to get and keep them in the future.
There’s plenty of material on the stages of population change in developing nations: https://youtu.be/Ufmu1WD2TSk
The demographic transition model continues to be reasonable on track around the world: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_transition
The real umbrella term is tolerance, you embrace it and it covers you, you either fall in line and integrate or you’re out.
Nowhere is set in stone that you have a right to bring the shit that made you flee your country into your host country and escape consequence.
Good riddance, globalism is absolute shit.
It’s really really cute to see Germans/Europeans/Westerners pretending that antisemitism is an imported problem.
Beyond the thinly veiled xenophobia and eurocentrism, I find it actually ironic how many of you people spout this line of thinking since it shows your complete lack of mental capacity to engage with the reality that many of the people who flee do so as a result of Western involvement in other countries’ governments, and the rest are fighting a system that chooses racism and violence toward the poor over, and over, and over, and over…
tl;Dr: keep shitting on the Global South but don’t be surprised when you’re alone while Putin and Trump come for your children and your children’s children.
You tolerate funding a genocide
I might also add none of the rights you enjoy are set in stone, so maybe when they throw you in a camp you can bring that up to them.
