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Guess what it is not your land.
Palestine has the right to defend itself.
Palestine was genocided by fascists, who won, and are winning elsewhere.
I think I’ve just switched sides, I’m on team climate change extinction. We inflict cruelty on all other life on this planet… And OURSELVES. Literally no one is happy, even the capitalists who are most responsible for human misery trying to fill the black hole in their chests with ever moar capital, even they can’t be made happy in victory as they’ll never have enough.
Earth needs to shake us off its back for the sake of terrestrial life. To put it in terms the rest of my species understands, we’re a liability to the larger organization, and bring no redeeming value to the planet. As such, we should be summarily terminated.
. As such, we should be summarily terminated.
Don’t worry; we’re working on that.
This comment stinks of eco-fascism…
I think you’re confusing misanthropy based on the data with eco-fascism. Eco-fascists want to destroy heavy industry attempting to save humanity from itself. I’m saying we aren’t worth saving, and the earth doesn’t need saving from us because it has a mechanism to deal with us.
It isn’t advocating violence, and therefore isn’t fascism of any stripe, to acknowledge the reality that we are subject to our habitat, not the other way around. Our species has lost respect for the very ground beneath our feet, and we aren’t the first problematic mutation that altered the climate that the planet had to correct for. See the trees of the carboniferous period. We’re merely the first species that had the agency not to, but chose to anyway.
You might want to look at your biases if you think there’s a dirty accusation to be thrown for anything less than rah rah homosapiens! That’s just base tribalism.
So does Israel
Nah. Praying for Iran to do the needful
As Hamas is an insurgency working inside Israeli-occupied territory, Israel does not in fact have the right to defend itself in this case. They only have the right to engage in counterinsurgency efforts after guaranteeing the rights of all occupied people under international law.
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Something something but Harris is worse! Am I doing it right? Sorry, I’m terrible at impressions. I can’t quite nail the arrogance.
Huh, weird. I thought peaceful donvict was going to end all this, unlike “Genocide Joe” and Kamala…
🤦♂️ 🙄
Huh, weird. I thought peaceful donvict was going to end all this, unlike “Genocide Joe” and Kamala…
No one said that.
Progressives tried to warn centrists that they would lose if they continued their support for genocide. Progressives were not significant enough to listen to, so they’re not significant enough to blame.
Unless you want to admit that you were wrong and that democrats should have listened and dropped their support for genocide.
Um, lots of people said that, including donvict himself.
And when did I say Democrats shouldn’t listen to progressives like me?
Fuck yourself idiot, this inaccurate blame game shit is functionally no different than maga shit.
Well then.
Progressives don’t lie about Progressives’ positions and then pretend they were talking about republicans when they get called on it.
Uh, progressives did vote third party, claiming that donvict would be no worse, possibly better. That’s no lie. So yes, it was Republicans AND lots of “independents” and even progressives that said so. I watched them do it.
Also, playing the No True Scotsman with progressives…hilarious. You are not the arbiter of who is and who is not a progressive, although I know you’d like to call everyone you disagree with a “centrist”. Have fun with that. If we play the purity game enough, virtually everyone can be declared a “centrist”, but that’s not very constructive is it?
They’re not going to want to hear it. For them, wanting your country to not fall apart equals being okay with genocide. It doesn’t matter that everything is much, much worse. There is even a comment saying this is our punishment for funding genocide. Families that are being broken apart, rights stripped away, growing tensions with literally everyone, and a fucking DOGE department, that’s our punishment for trying to not make things not as terrible as they could be.
I’m so fucking sick of them going “Oh, so you don’t care. You’re okay with bombing people.” No, no we are not. We are not over here giggling happily at the horror going on. I didn’t see anyone in the town halls or protest going, “now, we’re okay with genocide, but only if we have rights.” Just because we are also worried about our country does not automatically mean that we don’t care anyone else.
The people in my country are also important. I want them to have Healthcare and food and basic rights. Trying to make the best choice out of two shitty choices is not us going “well, genocide is a okay.” Over, and over, and over we were told there’s no difference between who was elected. BUT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. This is the fucking difference. I don’t want to focus on fucking Musk and Trump. I don’t even see people speak about the genocide as much anymore because we’re drowning in Trump/Musk news. The protests in my area have shifted because we can’t protest if we don’t even have the right to do so. We can’t vote against anything if we CAN’T FUCKING VOTE.
I wish it was as simple as just not voting, or at the very least not having a two party system, but we did not have that option last election. It was either Harris or Trump. Did I fucking want Harris? NO! Did I believe she would be, even if by a small amount, easier to deal with than Trump, yes. Yes I fucking did. But I fuck me I guess for caring about Gaza and my countrymen.
Agreed. With donvict and his zero-empathy crew, the terror and misery are going to be brought here and waged against much of the country, in addition to in Gaza. In addition to him being even worse on Gaza.
The galaxy-brained so-called “leftists” (I question how many actually are) would have us believe that allowing donvict into office is just fine, and them abstaining from voting or throwing a vote away on a joke of a third party even makes them righteous.
There is even a comment saying this is our punishment for funding genocide. Families that are being broken apart, rights stripped away, growing tensions with literally everyone, and a fucking DOGE department, that’s our punishment for trying to not make things not as terrible as they could be.
I’m the punishment guy. First of all you ignored the latter half of my comment, where I said that this contradiction between civil rights at home and genocide abroad was only going to result in Trump. You can want things to happen all you want, but it was never going to work in reality. Second, yes, exactly. It’s your punishment for eliminating the option where you oppose genocide out of hand when you had a whole year to change course. I can barely accept saying “it’s too late to change things now so vote blue” in October, but “hold your nose and vote for her” in August, or—even worse—“Biden can’t step down now” in February? Calling anri-genocde critics of the party MAGA or Russian trolls? Fucking unforgivable. I have seen the way Arabs opposing the genocide of their friends and family were talked about here, and the “leopards ate my face” comments on every article about the death of a Palestinian. Not every American is directly responsible, don’t get me wrong, but with a crime as big as the merciless murder of at least a quarter million people almost every American is one way or another within the radius of moral culpability.
Tl;DR: Didn’t want MAGA Hitler? Then you should’ve opposed the damn genocide.
You’re right, I didn’t read all of your comment. I skimmed it at best (which is why I didn’t reply directly). The choice was not “civil rights at home” and “genocide abroad.” it was “both suck with Gaza, but one is a blood thirsty dumbass, and the other is your run of the mill bullshit politician.” i don’t know who is spreading this narrative that everyone who voted was voting for genocide or voting with the idea of trade off. I have not met anyone (personally) who was like," man, I hate Harris’ stance on Gaza, but as long as she gives me rights, I don’t care." It was Nazi VS Shitty Politician. I don’t know why the concept of not wanting to have a Nazi in charge is akin to saying “yes, please bomb Gaza. I’m totally okay with it.” I wasn’t okay with it when Biden did it, I wasn’t okay when Harris said she supported Biden’s actions, and I’m not okay with it now that Trump is making Ai videos of condos built on graves. I did oppose genocide and I still do.
Also, what option did I eliminate? You’re acting like election day was the only time people tried anything. In November, yes, it was too late. We didn’t rally behind a third candidate, we didn’t even get to vote for Harris as our candidate. There were protests, but, by November, it wasn’t enough. We failed. And as much as I would have wanted to say “fuck this” I knew that it wasn’t going to make literally anything any better by not voting, but would make a shit ton worse because one candidate can do and appears to be doing more damage to the other.
TL;DR: I have and still do oppose genocide and I do not believe that on election night there was a realistic chance that we could get a candidate in office that aligned with everything I would have wanted, but there was a candidate that would have made the struggle a tiny bit easier. I do not believe that Americans that voted for Harris (or honestly didn’t vote all all, regardless of my opinion) were doing it with the idea that Gaza was a worthy scarfice.
Also, what option did I eliminate? You’re acting like election day was the only time people tried anything.
No I’m not; quite the opposite in fact. Some people did try something, but they were met with either inaction, ridicule or straight up derision. Again, my problem isn’t with the people who said “it’s too late” in October; I can sympathize with that view. My problem is for the people who kept saying some combination of “it’s too late we can’t do anything” and “lalala I can’t hear you” when it was, in fact, not too late. Opposition to the Gaza genocide is almost as old as the genocide itself, and the Uncommitted/Listen to Michigan Movement got going before the Michigan primary in February. My problem with Americans is that, faced with this golden opportunity to catch the Democrats by the balls and demand real change, the best they could do was “hold your nose and vote for her”. An anti-fascist movement that doesn’t have it in it to effectively object to genocide isn’t an anti-fascist movement; it’s an anti-fascism-if-it-affects-me movement. For scale, the Spanish planned an honest to goodness general strike when their government didn’t go as far as they wanted in its opposition to Israel.
I’m not being flippant or trying to be sarcastic (I know tone doesn’t carry online), but wasn’t the act of not voting/withholding votes supposed to be the opportunity for real change? Wasn’t that the “threat” (couldn’t think of a better term). Like, “Because you’re not agreeing to xyz, I am withholding my vote.” Isn’t the current time line the result of that success, when it came to telling people to not vote as a form of protest anyway.
And if you sympathize with people in October who said “it’s too late,” what’s the difference between that and “it’s too late, we can’t do anything (right now)?” I think those two groups are the same people in a way.
Isn’t the current time line the result of that success, when it came to telling people to not vote as a form of protest anyway.
No. A success there would be for significant numbers of Democrat voters to form a united nationwide and loudly declare that they’re not voting blue until XYZ (not necessarily only Gaza-related) demands are met. People just quietly not voting is the worst possible scenario, as it gives anti-fascist/anti-fascism-if-it-affects-me forces the illusion of victory only to hand fascists power.
And if you sympathize with people in October who said “it’s too late,” what’s the difference between that and “it’s too late, we can’t do anything (right now)?” I think those two groups are the same people in a way.
The difference is that they could have done things then and simply chose not to because they didn’t want to rock the boat. Also I’m sympathizing with positions here, not with people. If person A said “nope, can’t do shit now” in August and also October then I have no sympathy for them even if I agree with them to an extent in the latter case.
I have no rebuttal. I’m in agreement with the idea that it should have been a movement. I was taking it as people saying “if you voted for Harris, you’re okay with genocide.” I get the “hold your nose a vote” thing now.
Nice talking with you and thank you for being cordial. 🤝🏾
You are literally arguing for collective punishment. You realize that, right?
Biden would have at least pretended to care! Because that’s what good guys do.
C’mon Jack, Biden was still shipping munitions until his last days in office. None of those assholes we’re going to stop this
Yeah but at least we could have retained our domestic civil liberties and our own right to civilly protest the genocide under the other guys? Now we have nothing, less than nothing.
You never deserved those liberties if it means you’re okay with enabling genocide.
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that anyone ever listened to my opinion on the subject.
You the People of America had a year-long referendum on the subject.
I’m sure additional victim blaming will win the progressives the next election for sure.
…We are literally in a thread that started with liberals blaming the results of the election on the victims of a liberal-funded genocide. Look in the mirror
Trump is, in more than one way, your punishment for trying to have civil liberties at home while funding genocide abroad. That contradiction was only ever going to result in one thing and that was Trump.
LOL, you think most Americans, let alone most Democrats, support funding genocide abroad?
Also, I love how people constantly blame anyone but the far right and their decades-long efforts for the culmination of donvict slithering into office. No one deserves a shitstain like donvict ruining the country and working to make the entire world worse.
LOL, you think most Americans, let alone most Democrats, support funding genocide abroad?
Not enthusiastic support, but “Let’s wait for Later™ before we do anything about this” is also support. The resulting anti-dissent defensive herd mentality is proof of that. You’ll probably defend that as “strategic voting” or “picking your battles” or whatever, but nothing less than a resolute “No” is acceptable as a response to genocide.
No one deserves a shitstain like donvict ruining the country and working to make the entire world worse.
Really? Because I can think of a few names. And in the first place things are only getting worse for the first world; the destruction of the American-European imperial alliance will be met with celebration over here, but let’s not lose sight of the point. Keeping your civil rights without opposing genocide was a losing proposition from the very start, and no amount or “hold your nose and vote for her” will change that.
Again, the only two choices were: donvict or Kamala. That’s it. Nothing else. Best option was to vote Democratic all down the ticket then do everything possible to lean on Democrats to stop supporting Israel.
Keeping your civil rights without opposing genocide was a losing proposition
Exactly WHO was proposing that?
Again, the only two choices were: donvict or Kamala. That’s it. Nothing else. Best option was to vote Democratic all down the ticket then do everything possible to lean on Democrats to stop supporting Israel.
No. You could’ve leaned on the Democrats to stop supporting Israel before voting, while they still needed you. Leaning on them after the election would’ve had absolutely no effect and you know it. Relinquishing your right to act during the only time where you have a chance of success is indistinguishable from inaction, hence Americans chose not to oppose genocide.
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You were willing to sacrifice foreigners in exchange for your safety. You’re a coward and you don’t deserve it.
If I’m ever given the choice between fascism here and genocide in America, well, I hope you have places to hide. How does your own medecine taste like?
You were willing to sacrifice foreigners in exchange for your safety.
Those deaths did nothing to enhance our safety. They may have added to the power and wealth of a few of Netanyahu’s cronies, and probably his family members. That’s all.
We could have also not have a dept of DOGE, but that’s not the argument here. Enough whataboutism and just accept that there was no US candidate that was actual stand up to Israel.
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Yeaaaahh, but would it have been the exact same? Would it have been juuuust as bad as it is now, and will become, soon?
I suppose we’ll never know…outside of the fact Biden was still providing bombs up until the end of his term. Maybe he would have just stopped, but all of his actions refute the idea.
If you look at Harris’ history and the constituency of the DNC in general as compared to that of the RNC, no, I think it’s fair to say that her presidency would have been very different when it comes to Israel. Keep in mind, that Trump getting elected basically have Netanyahu a multi-day orgasm. There’s a good reason for this. Likewise, all of Likud and the Kahanists.
Yeah, no, sorry, not sorry, if you can’t see the difference between boden and Trump then you’re an idiot. I’m fresh out of patience for people claiming the cheeto isn’t that bad
There are many differences between trump & biden, but not when it comes to Israel.
Shut the fuck up bitch they killed my friend LAST YEAR. not now. LAST YEAR.
Several members of my wife’s family were massacred in the nakba, and my wife and kids narrowly escaped being bombed in Beirut in 2006. And I can say with full confidence that you are babbling incoherently.
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The cheeto isn’t not that bad. The Democratic establishment is just that bad when it comes to Palestine. The cheeto is still as bad as can be, but in this particular case the Democrats also are.
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democrats arnt celebrating with the maga at all. keep your russian trolling to yourself.
Schumer is enabling MAGA. I’m not interested in quibbling about whether it quite amounts to collaborating.
Tell me with a straight face that Schumer isn’t celebrating this.
centrists celebrated harris getting dick cheney’s endorsement, and were openly angry at gwb for failing to endorse harris.
Op posted this specifically as political gotcha and immediately proceeded to make if about America’s politics. You Nazis have been protecting this shit for decades. You don’t care about foreigners dying at all.
“blue maga” is not a thing, LOL. Also, I don’t know when I was celebrating Cheney or Bush being on anyone’s side…
Biden was in power when my friend got firebombed in beyruth last year you hypocritical scum. Things like this is why I hate Americans and will gladly spit on the face of the next one I come accross.
Biden was in power when my friend got firebombed in beyruth last year you hypocritical scum.
Who did the firebombing? The US? I understand the US’s complicity in Israeli crimes against humanity, but there’s still a difference in degree of culpability.
I’m sorry, did you see a whole lot of Democratic voters that wanted that to happen? I don’t know one Democratic voter that wants any part of it, including, yes, selling Israel weapons.
Again, the only real choices we had were, Biden, then Kamala. Or donvict. Biden and Kamala had the same position on Israel that DC has held for years. No, we don’t love that.
This, vs. donvict who is going to be even worse, especially on doing things to throw red meat to the crazy end-times xtians that only “support” Jews in Israel because of silly stories they’ve made up…and he is obviously going to be worse both domestically and abroad on many things that don’t involve Gaza, as well.
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Well, that’s one hot take, I guess.
