just a lame-ass excuse for not finding whatever evidence they were looking for.
elsewhere, some seeding was done.
now they’ll do the ‘full’ data grab and ‘find’ what they were looking for.
Yeah. Hiring inexperienced children into government isn’t fraud, by itself. But I bet it makes fraud way easier.
especially if some of the children have a background in cyber crime . this is somehow not a joke , see this video (youtube.com)
IT guy checking in.
The only time I’ve even seen drive temp sensor alarms is on server raid arrays and other similar hard drives/SSDs… Never in my life have I seen one available on a consumer device, nor have I seen any alarm for and drive temp, go off. It just doesn’t happen.
IMO, this is one of those language barriers where people call their computer chassis (and everything in it) the “hard drive”.
Applying that assumption, their updated statement is: His computer over heated.
Idk what kind of shit system he’s running on that 60k rows would cause overheating, but ok.
Skill issue, as the kids like to say.
Either she knows something novel, where processing data using voice coils is somehow beneficial, or is someone who calls their computer a ‘hard drive’, which summarily negates any legitimacy of technical competence.
Or wrote the code using AI without checking what it exactly does.
The AI probably used bogosort or something equivalent
I bet a million bucks the harddrive didnt “overheat”.
Its just someone who doesnt know anything about computer hardware.
Its like me saying my car overheated if there is smoke coming out of it. I know nothing about cars.
I’ve found a lot of people call the computer itself the “hard drive”.
Yeah… That’s what I think the idiot is likely doing.Anyone doing so has no fucking business touching code.Just read that the fuckstick is copying government data onto an external.
60k rows of anything will be pulled into the file cache and do very little work on the drive. Possibly none after the first read.
You can put 60k rows in Excel 95.
Not if each row is pi!
Is this a real post? I can’t seemed to find it on that website “X, formerly known as Twitter.”
Yep, it’s real. It was a reply, so maybe that’s why you’re having trouble finding it. Here’s a nitter link to it.
Thanks. I’ve legit never understood how to navigate Twitter. Both Twitter and Snapchat gave me a good dose of what I imagine my grandmother feels when faced with operating a desktop computer…
Haha I totally understand :) Glad I could help!
some poeple have linked the discussion in other comment threads
When the only thing that is stopping kids from dismantling your government is an O(N^N) algorithm
Are you telling me there’s a difference between an inner and a cross join?
Cross join is obviously faster, I don’t even have to write “on”
What is this, a table for ants? Because that’s the average number of ants in an ant colony and it’s nowhere near an impressive amount of rows to be doing any sort of processing on. It wouldn’t be an impressive amount of rows if your rig was an i386DX-33 running off a 5” floppy.
Exactly, 60k rows is negligible enough in most cases that you can just treat it as free unless you’re doing a cross join on it or something, unless he’s doing something like using an unordered text file as his database with no ram or cache
Buddy’s probably running code he got from GitHub Copilot that is used to do a visualization of a bubble sort for learning purposes.
Even then, I can crank through orders of magnitude more data on my craptop
60k of rows is nothing. Fuck, where do you find these “geniuses”?
There’s only one reason he wants kids and not experienced adults.
Tbf we don’t know how many columns there are /s
I do data analysis for a living, I reach out to tech and complain if I can’t open a file with a million+ lines.
What in the fuck is this idiot doing? I’ve process datasets far larger than that and never once have I run into a hard drive “overheat”. I mean what level of incompetence do you have to have to get a hard drive to overheat processing a measley 60K rows of data?
I’ve met people who think their desktop PC is the “hard drive” but they’re all over 60.
I didn’t know hard drive overheating was a thing. Should I be worried that my 5 year old hard drive is about to overheat. I mean is this actually a floppy disk or something?
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it is, in the select event that your platter bearing fails, in which case it would be very, very obvious.
So you’ve had this happen?
no. but generally spinning things that spin at several thousands of RPM that are spinning on a bearing, that no longer have a bearing usually sort of uh, tend to be VERY noisy.
Ok, but do you know anyone this has happened to? I don’t and I have some pretty old drives I still use. I tend to just buy more. Also most drives these days are solid state aren’t they? This just feels like a low probability event to me. Overheating RAM or the CPU or GPU, sure, but hard drive?
I had it happen to a random hard drive I bought, old bastard found in a bin at a local thrift store. Anyways had a big dent in it and while it started up, even booting into windows XP it cooked itself made a screeching noise and was hot to the touch. Don’t think I need to explain that the big dent was probably the source of the overheating, anyways had to use an oven mitt to relocate it to a metal bucket of water where it boiled for a minute.
So the story is plausible then?
Sure if they physically damaged the hard drive, though at that point the failure and the code were largely unrelated. Though if they were using a computer with an SSD only I would have no clue. Assuming they aren’t lying id have to look at the computer physically, perhaps even pry it open to see if there’s any noticable damage.
There’s also the possibility that they are just stupid and overheated their CPU by having too many apps open. Then they blamed their hard drive overheating because they are stupid.
not personally, i may have seen a video or two of it happening, but it’s hard to tell whether the head is dragging against the platter, or it’s the bearing, either one of those makes horrendous noise.
If you’re worried about it happening on a drive you own, you should copy that data somewhere else as a backup, ideally sooner rather than later. If you’re curious about the health of the drive you do stuff like SMART tests as well.
Yeah, most drives are solid state now, unless you’re buying hdds for archival purposes, still cheaper and denser in most cases. It’s a low probability failure, until the drive meets EOL, in which case it’s a mechanical wear part, either the motor or the bearing fails. One of them will fail first, probably the bearing.
The bearing failing would likely result in the HDD overheating as a result. Assuming the platter still spins, but that’s the only scenario i can think of where that would happen, unless you dump a very specific amount of continuous current into the read arm coils. That might also cause it, but it’s not likely at all.
An ssd “overheating” is more likely, but it shouldn’t cause too many issues, maybe premature degradation over long term use, and slowing of read/write speeds, or in some cases, an improvement, but other than that it should be business as normal. You would have to hit it with like a heat gun, to get a hardware failure or something like that.
I’m not actually worried about my drives. In fact that was kind of the point. I was kidding around because this excuse that the hard drive overheated sounds a little like a car running out of blinker fluid.
oh no they’re definitely stupid, that’s for sure. I’m just providing the two available scenarios in which they would be right lmao.
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When an HDD works continuously it can heat up to above 60 °C if proper air circulation is not allowed, which can cause a very premature failure. In fact, it should be kept under 40 °C to achieve the intended lifespan. Unfortunately, PC cases are usually not great at removing heat from the HDD by default.
As for your drive, it most likely has a temperature sensor so it can be displayed by various utilities.
I have a 12v fan running at 5v spitting air on my hdds, and that’s enough for them to go from 55°C to 29°C, lol.
I did that too, the tiny fan is pretty much silent at 5V. The HDD has so much surface area it only needs a little air circulation.
Wow.
I’ve been processing a couple of billion rows of data on my machine, the fans didn’t even come on. WTF are they teaching “experts” these days, or has Elmo only hired people who claim that they can “wrangle data” and say “yes” ?
Even if querying data was processing-heavy and even if somehow the ‘hard drive’ got warm during this, then there still would need to be a hardware defect in order for the drive to overheat.
Yes, but this may be a symptom of an issue I’ve been seeing with younger programmers; they’ve siloed themselves so specifically into whatever programming they “specialize” in, that they become absolutely useless at dealing with absolutely anything else related to their job. And exasperating this issue is the fact that they’ve grown up with systems that “just work”. Windows, iOS, and android are all at the point where fucking around with hardware issues is very uncommon for the average person.
Asking this guy to solve a hardware problem is like asking hime to tune a carburetor. He likely has not the slightest clue how to start.
That’s the price of specialization. Don’t ask a software engineer to troubleshoot hardware. Don’t ask a backend dev to write a frontend. Don’t ask a proctologist to look at your cough.
You simply cannot be proficient at every sub-sub-specialty. That’s why we collaborate and hand the ‘my computer gets hot’ problems to the hardware people. The alternative would be only moderately useful generalist.
I’m not asking everyone to be able to become a hardware specialist, but if you can’t even figure out “my computer gets hot” I’m not going to be able to trust anything you do. Identifying a heat issue does not take a rocket surgeon.
In my experience, a lot of software dev degree paths basically don’t even have relevant classes on hardware at all. Classes on hardware are all in IT Helpdesk and Network Admin degree paths whereas the software dev students are dumped straight into Visual Studio right off the bat with no relevant understanding of the underlying hardware or OS.
You don’t teach a farmer how an internal combustion engine works. Computers are tools to software engineers. What they need to know is how to operate them, not how to maintain them.
No, not really. Programming requires understanding of the underlying hardware, at least to a certain extent. Otherwise performance issues will look like dark magic and optimizing anything would be impossible.
Where do you start debugging if something goes wrong with the software and your information level is this low/ do you look at network stats? CPU utilization, paging/swapping? Is the hard disk bandwidth the bottleneck? Without at least some passable understanding of a computer architecture people like this just throw up their hands, or throw whatever tricks they know at the wall and see what sticks.
Horseshit. Computers aren’t tools for a software engineer. Computers are tools to an administrator, an accountant. Computers are the sandbox you are building castles in as a software engineer. If you don’t understand the system upon which you build, its abilities and features, its limitations, it’s dependencies, you are going to make some stupid mistakes.
You need to understand discrete mathematics as a consequence of computer computation. You need to understand parallel processing and threading for muli-core processors. You need to understand networking, package management, security vulnerabilities, etc. from different architectures and protocols. And it ALWAYS helps to understand the very basics of a computer’s functioning, from hardware, CPU architecture, machine code, assembly/low level programming, memory management, etc.
print('Hello, World!) is day one shit for a reason. Programming language and logic is the basics. The real expertise comes from your 3rd and 4th year materials. Databases, architecture, theory of computation, discrete mathematics, networking, operating systems, compilers, etc.
computers are a tool to anybody who uses them?
If you’re using a tool, it goes without saying, you should probably have at the very least, a cursory understanding of it’s function. Lest you injure yourself gravely.
You’ve never met a farmer in your life.
A lot of farmers are learning how they work cause the companies that sell them the equipment keep fucking them over. I would argue that farmers nowadays needs to know how that works along with basic programming to get past the anti-consumer bullshit companies put in to make it nigh impossible to fix things yourself.
doesnt matter if you know how to program, john deere is just going to put some autistic encryption and ID locking on their shit, what needs to happen is for john deere to stop fucking doing this.
Most tractors are walking computers anyway, farmers are genuinely the most multi talented people you will ever meet in your life.
Just keep trying to justify your own lack of competency I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What the fuck
How is he going to fix his tractor? Wait days for John Deere to send somebody? Let the crop rot on the vine?
CS departments were doing poorly, but now they’re putting out farmers? No wonder all these new graduates can’t find a job.
Ooh wait 'til Musk realises he can improve US agricultural efficiency.
I mean every programmer says they intend to quit and pick up farming. Might as well give them the knowledge to be successful at their late career while they’re at it
It is good for the programmer to know how the computer operates, as well.
the only reason farmers are afloat financially is BECAUSE they can rebuild an engine if needed.
Just look at the john deere right to repair shit. It’s literally a huge problem.
I’m not sure how well that analogy holds up. Farmers are usually pretty well versed in mechanical systems. To the point that now that John Deere has been screwing them over on right to repair that some farmers are even becoming versed in computer programming so they can flash the firmware on their tractors.
Farmers can build a two stroke from parts.
No, but if a farmer’s tractor is overheating (as in the gard drive conparison), I’m sure they could diagnose it.
I never said that it was impossible for a farmer to learn things outside their immediate field. Just like computer programmers often have knowledge of hardware and the general technology stack.
My point, to make it explicit to a few of the illiterates who’ve replied to my comment so far, is that it is not necessary to teach a web developer how a goddamn CPU works. They can gain nothing from that knowledge because there are at least 3 levels of abstraction between JavaScript and assembly.
Operating your tools and being able to maintain and repair your tools are the unequivocally essential skills for everyone in every single industry.
If you can’t, you are not a professional.
The concepts of machine logic, registers/lookups/etc are essential for every programmer. If you don’t have a clear idea about how the simplest CPU functions, you don’t have any basis of understanding the abstractions in front of you, scripting in JS. Not a professional.
And my point is that the example you used does not make the point you are trying to make, but rather the opposite. I get what you’re saying, it just doesn’t apply to farmers and mechanics.
no but a web dev should have some knowledge basis on what the ever living fuck their AIDs code fuelled by nothing but the cheapest source of caffeine and brain damage they have even does.
This is the entire reason why half of the internet is just broken, stupid developers who don’t know how anything works, but know how to code, making dogshit implementations of anything and everything they can get their hands on.
It doesn’t matter that the learning is segmented, you should STILL be learning about computer hardware and it’s architectural choices, it’s literally the reason why programming languages work the way that they do.
My experience does not reflect yours. Computer Architecture, Discrete Math (logic gate math), and Operating System Concepts were all required classes in my CS degree from just a few years ago.
Honestly that’s good to hear. I’ve run into some devs who are completely mystified on how to connect to a remote database and couldn’t tell a socket from sandwich.
Can I have my socket with rye. I like rye.
In my degree, we had to write kernel mods and device drivers
My CS degree had a hardware/IT support class, but A) it was entirely simulation based. We never touched any actual hardware. We “built” PC’s or identified physical issues in 3d sim software, set up RAID arrays in software, etc. B) it was super hand holdy and you only ever go over a problem once, so nothing on the class has stuck. I know much more from having built, troubleshot and maintained my own computers and network than I ever learned from that class, then learned more by doing in an actual IT support position before becoming an engineer.
I mean to be fair the sheer amount of material most university engineering programs require these days makes spending significant time on specific problems almost impossible. They try to shove so much theory into your head they lose track of practical implementation. Basically everyone I went to school with complained about the lack of practical application relative to theory, and I studied mechanical engineering which is theoretically and literally chiefly concerned with hardware.
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If it was an nvme ssd i could almost believe it. Some come with totally underspecced heatsinks
You have to understand that the average Trump voter probably knows everything they know about computers from watching the ‘wacky-zaney hacker with personality issues/quirks’ “hack” into things by tippity tapping their fingies on a keyboard in your average copaganda performance.
This is something those types of people will believe.
You’re on the mark. I’m like Help Desk Level 2, I wouldnt even consider myself an actual wizard. The average person in my office thinks I’m Gandalf. Its scary how much these people dont know. And each one of them is out there on the internet.
60k rows is generally very usable with even wide tables in row formats.
I’ve had pandas work with 1M plus rows with 100 columns in memory just fine.
After 1M rows move on to something better like Dask, polars, spark, or literally any DB.
The first thing I’d do with whatever data they’re running into issues with is rewrite it as partitioned and sorted parquet.
My go-to tool of late is
duckdb, comes with binaries for most platforms, works out of the box, loads any number of database formats and is FAST.
He hired a bunch of 19-25 year old. Not experts
There is nothing wrong with being 19-25. There’s something wrong with being wholly incompetent.
There’s not really anything wrong with being incompetent, so long as you have the humility to admit it and learn from people who know better, and try not to cause harm. That’s not Musk’s minions though.
I think it’s important to differentiate incompetence from ignorance. Ignorance is not knowing. Incompetence is not being able to fulfill the requirements for your assigned task. If you cannot fulfill the requirements for your given task, then you should not be given said task.
Bunch of 1337 hax0rs script kiddies who don’t understand anything but they suck elon’s balls or something idk.
These are the type of people that have deleted the French language from their GNU/Linux system.
Hey! Thats offensive to 19-25 year olds, there are many who just finished college/university and are more than aware.
They’re just role playing like in movies, with no idea of the consequences.
lol a 19-21 yo isnt going to have a degree lol,
If they went into uni straight out of high school, they could. A lot of Bachelor holders would be around that age, since they start at 18.
How on earth is it offensive to say they’re “not experts”? They’re not prodigies with PhDs. These specific young men are just technical enough and ideologically aligned.
Your original comment was ambiguous as to if being an “expert” and “being 19-25” are mutually exclusive.
Except they’re not, as you will know their tweet would be false after your first year of any technical (IT oriented) education.
First year? That shit is like A+ cert level knowledge or below, and A+ is damn near worthless. They would know that in the first few hours of a study guide
I was being generous when you consider the people in school who somehow pass, even when they don’t know a thing 🥲
Technical enough to be hired, is all I meant. 🙄
Even then, no. These were all obviously nepotism hires who would not have otherwise qualified.
Meh, some of them won some hackathons and scholarships, it’s pretty clear they’re otherwise at least somewhat bright but they don’t have any relevant domain knowledge.
In other words, the type of person most likely to be prone to hubris and catastrophic failures.
Apologies, if I came over as hostile. I did not get your meaning through text.
Yes, his Boy Harem.
has Elmo only hired people who claim that they can “wrangle data” and say “yes” ?
There’s two issues going on:
- Elmo’s sociopathic approach to laying people off is public knowledge, and top experts have the luxury of not even applying for his jobs.
- Elmo’s ability to judge engineering talent has likely been wildly exaggerated thanks to how he has successfully bought organizations full of talented people, in the past.
I’ve read a story on the forbidden website where a “database” was a single table with a single column holding a single row that contained the actual data as a CSV blob. I’m willing to bet the muskies are not beyond such acts of genius.
We call it New Redis!
It’s terrifying that this is plausible.
From the same group that doesn’t understand joins and thinks nobody uses SQL this is hardly surprising .
Probably got an LLM running locally and asking it to get data which is then running 10 level deep sub queries to achieve what 2 inner joins would in a fraction of the time.
You’re giving this person a lot of credit. It’s probably all in the same table and this idiot is probably doing something like a for-loop over an integer range (the length of the table) where it pulls the entire table down every iteration of the loop, dumps it to a local file, and then uses plain text search or some really bad regex’s to find the data they’re looking for.
I have to admit I still have some legacy code that does that.
Then I found pandas. Life changed for the better.
Now I have lots if old code that I’ll update, “one day”.
However, even my old code, terrible as it is, does not overheat anything, and can process massively larger sets of data than 60,000 rows without any issue except poor efficiency.
Considering that is nearly exactly some of the answers I’ve received during the technical part of interviews for jr data eng, you’re probably not far off.
Shit I’ve seen solutions done up that look like that, fighting the optimiser every step (amongst other things)
I think you’re still giving them too much credit with the for loop and regex and everything. I’m thinking they exported something to Excel, got 60k rows, then tried to add a lookup formula to them. Since you know, they don’t use SQL. I’ve done ridiculous things like that in Excel, and it can get so busy that it slows down your whole computer, which I can imagine someone could interpret as their “hard drive overheating”.
They don’t understand joins? How…
As a reasonably experienced “data guy,” this seems obviously laughable, but the discussion on X is scary. This guy is a savior in the MAGA world.
We can criticize and poke fun all day, but it doesn’t matter much if our message isn’t challenging the mindset of those with other opinions.
How do we make better use of our time to impact outside opinion?
I’ve been told violence isn’t the answer and we shouldn’t just shoot nazis and nazi enablers dead.
The way most people change their mind isn’t based on facts or figures, but emotions. Specifically, in-group belonging. For most people, and this certainly includes me and you some of the time, what our in-group believes is more compelling than an out-groups supposed facts.
They see that guy as someone in their group so they believe him. They see you as a bad outside bad bad bad liar, so nothing you say is likely to get through. (This comic is worth reading on this topic: https://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe )
If you want to change someone’s mind, they have to see you as in-group. Not necessarily the same group as what you’re arguing with. We all belong to many groups. American, new yorker, white guy, middle aged, yankees fan, etc etc there are many such slices. Like how you can’t get a republican to recycle by appealing to environmental concerns (because environmentalists are out-group, so fuck them), but you might be able to get them to recycle via something like “only american ingenuity can turn trash into bridges and tanks!”
This takes a lot of time and effort, and if you don’t get them to stop hanging out with the other group, you won’t make any lasting changes.
So I think you’d need a multi prong approach:
- Get them off bad media. Facebook, fox news, etc. This is reinforcing their bad beliefs. Because they see this stuff as trustworthy in-group, it goes right into the worldview.
- Get them to stop hanging out with their shitty maga-hat friends. This is the social in-group that’s reinforcing bad beliefs.
- Get them to trust you.
- Gently introduce the idea that maybe the extreme right doesn’t have their interests at heart, etc
All of which takes a lot of time and effort, and your opposite number is basically trying to do the same thing. Except they have fox news, trump, and such in their corner.
And, again, I’m told we definitely shouldn’t just shoot extreme right wingers and other nazi sympathizers dead. Nor should we burn their houses down. If we’re an emergency responder, we definitely shouldn’t let them die while thinking to ourselves “they would let so many die. without a thought, their passing deserves no mourning” or similar.
You should definitely nullify if you’re on a jury and someone allegedly did violence to a shitty ceo or red-hat, though, bu that’s getting off topic.
Wow, that was an awesome rabbit hole, thank you for the link.
If you want to change someone’s mind, they have to see you as in-group.
Maybe a less manipulative-sounding way to phrase that might be that we should remind people that we’re all in it together. The far right media and their billionaire buddies have spent the past decade and a half dividing us, and they succeeded. Idk what it would take to unite this country again, but it at least is a little comforting to have a clear problem statement.
I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately. I’m from the UK, and whilst things are less politically dire here than the US, it’s still pretty grim. Both the Conservatives and Labour seem reluctant to actually meaningfully tax the rich, even as the working class (and to a lesser extent, the middle class) are being squeezed by a cost of living crisis and general hopelessness. Parties like Reform are taking the racist “things are bad because we have too many immigrants” and I’ve recently realised that I need to stop resenting people for being taken in by that rhetoric; people are desperate and there aren’t people in the mainstream pushing for alternatives (besides Reform). These people have a lot in common with me, such as recognising that we’re being fucked but the system, but we just disagree on the solution. It’s hard, but ultimately necessary to be able to be in solidarity with people like Reform’ voters
I’ve been told violence isn’t the answer
By the very same people asking the question: What are you gonna do about it?
Where ‘it’ is your oppression.
Compelling point. I just found that arguing with „these kind of people“ (livibg in europe, so no MAGA‘s here but like-minded, conservative fundamentalists etc.) leads to nowhere. It‘s kind of like the covid-conversations. And often I heard „you can‘t make them change their minds, so just let them be“. Still, I think this behaviour leads to isolation and separates us as a people even more.
Long story short: good question. If you found the answer, let me know.
I can only speak from my very limited experience. My father is the very example of a person who has some beliefs and tries to judge whole world through those beliefs. Everyone who doesn’t share those beliefs is an enemy. If you don’t believe in extreme opinion A, you automatically have to believe in extreme opinion B which is the opposite of A. You probably know such people.
Over last years, we yelled at each other lots of times, but that lead to nowhere. What actually helped was that finding the common ground. To make him understand that just because I don’t agree with his side, it doesn’t necessarily mean that I’m shilling for the other one. Not everything is bipolar. From my father’s perspective, everyone has to be either pro-Russian or pro-American (which is funny from today’s perspective, but I guess you get my point). You point out that Russia did something bad? He will tell you “Yeah and USA did <something>! You don’t have an issue with that”. And that’s the thing. To make him understand, that I DO have an issue with that. World is not a football match where you have to take a side and fully commit to it. You don’t have to go “full in” on a topic. Your opinion can be nuanced based on the actual topic, not just dumbed down into “my side thinks that A, so I agree with A. Your side thinks that B, so you have to agree with B”.
Before that I never had much success in having a proper discussion. It always ended up in a screaming match, because he wasn’t listening to arguments. He simply knew, that I had the “other” opinion, so my opinion was automatically wrong. Now he knows, that I don’t fully agree with anyone. He now somehow understands that my opinions are based on a set of principles, not on a tribalistic “my team” vs “your team”. And by understanding that, he’s more open to actually having a discussion on a topic, not just trying to convert me from “bad side” to “good side”.
And don’t get me wrong. He still believes in what he believes in. But he’s more open to accepting that not everything “his side” says is automatically correct. And that by itself is a small victory for me.
We must make better memes
I’m not even joking, the world runs on memes now. It’s fucking stupid, but we must shitpost to save ourselves
I agree some form of consistent opposition messaging is needed.
The maga world talks in consistent themes and terminology, which creates a psychological advantage. Unfortunately, it’s playground psychology, but if that’s the game being played you need to find a way to win at it.
I can’t remember the particular phrase that was used, but I heard an argument recently that we need to be more like politicians going on an interview and ensure that we’re more on message. For example, it’s fairly obvious by now that economically, the problem is wealth inequality, but I see fairly surprisingly few people discussing that.
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That’s probably who I’m remembering; I recently discovered his work.
