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Summary
Finland has declined a U.S. request to export eggs amid a severe American shortage caused by bird flu.
The Finnish Poultry Association cited the lack of prior trade agreements and complex regulatory hurdles. Even if exports were possible, Finland’s limited egg production would not significantly impact the U.S. crisis.
Other European nations, including Sweden and Denmark, also face difficulties meeting U.S. demand, while Europe grapples with its own egg shortages.
The U.S. has turned to countries like Turkey and the Netherlands for supplies as bird flu remains a global issue.
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Every country should avoid doing business with Trump’s regime because he will screw you over either way.
Trump still owes my county from his 2016 campaign. He rented out the fairgrounds for a rally and never paid up.
Your county officials made an unofficial donation to the trump campaign in 2016, is what actually happened.
Effectively, yeah. I’m still gonna complain tho, haha
Oh yeah, do complain! But it’s not like it was an accident, so be sure to complain about the right thing.
If only there were regulations that kept these diseases at bay. Certainly our corporate farms will always spend the money and effort to prevent things themselves though.
Not sure if it’s true but I read some place that because America has fewer and much larger farms it affects more birds on a farm. In Canada we have smaller (compared to us) size farms and more of them. Meaning a farm losing all its birds does not hit us as hard.
Distributed Birding. 🐔
Federated Chickens
Lol that sounds like it’s reasonable and profitable in the long term, get it the fuck out of here.
We need to maximize this next quarter because, well, we’re not really sure but it better be maximized. We understand that we could have a stress free, guaranteed profitable business five years from now but we really really need to just squeeze this fucker for everything it’s worth right now.
Money. Now.
Less money, but now. Less logic now. Everything now, like right fucking now. We still don’t understand why we’re doing this, it could very well be categorized as a mental illness, the way that we absolutely on purpose cause a shit load of pain and suffering on everything that crosses our path in the name of just a little bit of more money now, but it’s okay because for some reason (the reason is more money right now) it’s been glorified in our media and it’s way more acceptable than showing just the smallest amount of empathy so we’re just going to keep doing it.
Any time that someone raises the point that there’s something fundamentally wrong with capitalism, were just going to tell them that they aren’t shaking hands firmly enough or making good enough eye contact during interviews with their own dad, because again, we are not allowed to do empathy. I don’t think we were ever taught that in business school, but it’s implied so in order to be successful we just need to keep absolutely demolishing everything else around us that could make us human in order to maintain profit and image.
Maybe you shouldn’t put all your eggs in one basket.
Probably less profitable. America is all about profit.
Birdflu comes and goes, but lack of regulation/control is a BIG contributing factor here.
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Has anyone offered to sell us eggs at exorbitant prices? Cuz that would be funny as hell.
Come on now, that’s not how you spell eggsorbitant
At $500 an egg, I’m willing to take a return transatlantic flight.
Good.
I’m sure the Finns aren’t exactly keen to take a price hike on eggs to meet a hostile country’s needs.
The Finnish Poultry Association cited the lack of prior trade agreements and complex regulatory hurdles.
Such an understated way of saying: you started a trade war, now go fsck yourself!
The US has a trade agreement with Mexico and Canada and it still means shit to him
WW3 will be caused by shortage of eggs in US and they will invade every country and will take all eggs and hens. Mark my words
This reminds of the 90s TV Show Dinosaurs (still an all-time classic) where they had a two parter about war… and what was the cause of the war? Nuts! Literally. War over nuts and their increasing prices and blaming other people for it. So war it is
One of the funniest anti war episodes of all time.
trump is going to tariff finland now because “wahh”
This mental image popped into my head, after reading your comment. Now you get to enjoy it too, wAaHhh!
This egg trade is insane, not a single euro country could help USA here simply because the us has a 340m+ population and that being said, it would take the entire eu support/ supply in order to meet the demand of the USA
Don’t know how it is in Europe, but here in Canada we have marketing boards to ensure that we’re always producing more food supply than needed. Because it’s kinda bad to have less food than needed, so we want to have a little bit of margin to ensure that doesn’t happen. BTW this is why food is a contentious trade issue with the US, we don’t want to be dependent on food production that has no safety margin.
Anyway, it’s very possible countries are producing more than they need and could supply the US with the excess. It may not meet all of the demand in the US, but it would help bring down the price a bit. Yes the prices wouldn’t be the same as it was before the Avian flu outbreaks, but it would be lower than it is now.
It’s something that could happen if Trump didn’t burn all the goodwill with all of the allies of the US. According to Trump “We don’t need anything they have.” So you will pay more for things, because Trump thinks you don’t need them.
We have the Common Agricultural Policy which has the quadruple goals of a) keeping the EU, on aggregate, self-reliant while b) simultaneously stabilising domestic production with subsidies because technically it would be cheaper for many producers to buy land abroad and then import, c) avoid crashing other region’s agricultural sector with hyper-efficient production, that’s why occasionally there’s production caps in place, and finally d) environmental and animal husbandry concerns. You can actually get money for letting land fall fallow and stuff, there’s all kinds of fine-grained subsidies when it comes to things like improving barns, it’s a whole shebang.
Just checked and eggs were never subject to production quota regulations, so (aside from product safety and animal husbandry rules) it’s a pretty open market. The pdf linked there shows that we’re massive exporters, notable exception is imports from Ukraine though those are nowhere close to massive. Eyeball-comparing egg production vs. population numbers and assuming every member states eats about as many eggs/capita as the other things look well distributed, DE, FR, NL, PL, ES, and IT over-produce but it’s not like the smaller countries would have no capacity at all. Ukraine would actually fit in with that, also big country, also net exporter.
Overall we have exactly one shortfall: Protein crops. Mostly animal fodder in the form of South American soy, the rest, much smaller portion, is Canadian lentils. Not a desirable situation overall but one the one hand it’s not critical to feeding people (though there’d suddenly be much less meat) and South America really likes the income so the commission is in no hurry to address it. Canada just simply seems to be made for growing lentils, lots of right climate and soils for it, and that in wide flat areas.
It would take a sacrifice from EU countries to help an “ally” whose leadership will then threaten them, put more tariffs and make unfair deals when is your turn to request help.
“Okay, but you have to become the 20th province of Finland.”
I accept Finland’s terms. Now that I’m a Finnish citizen, I would like to move to the country proper.
I for one welcome our Finnish overlords.
First you have to learn proper Finnish swearing. For that I suggest “My summer car” on steam. As proof you’ll have to get all achievements.
Peska perkele vittu.
I’ll book my flight.
I accept!
Perkele, kun vituttaa tämä helvetin krapula, mutta jumalauta, pitäähän sitä silti saatanan kauniina kesäpäivänä mennä pihalle perseilemään ja hitto soikoon, nauttia elämästä—vaikka päässä jyskyttää kuin paholaisen pikkuserkku vetäisi siellä Lordia rumpusoololla.
I suggest “My summer car” on steam. As proof you’ll have to get all achievements.
Vain Windowssa perkele
…And just like that, Finland now shares a border with Russia on both sides of the globe. I’m sure the Finns are great friends with Russia, so Russia has no reason to worry that the vast military arsenal of the former USA is theirs now.
Also, does this mean the president of the former USA will be punished for his crimes? I’m not familiar with Finnish law, but it has to be better than ours.
The US doesn’t technically have a land border with russia, but they’re only seperated by the narrow Bering strait
Yeah, that’s why I just said a border. True, it’s 51 miles of water, but it not like that’s a hard thing to cross over.
Also, does this mean the president of the former USA will be punished for his crimes? I’m not familiar with Finnish law, but it has to be better than ours.
This was my hope, too!
now you can go to the doctor without losing your home!
Sounds like a great deal… TORILLE!!!
The part that kills me about all this is that there is a bird flu vaccine, but US poultry farmers aren’t allowed to use it because then we couldn’t export eggs to other countries. There was a really good CBS Sunday Morning segment about this.
then we couldn’t export eggs to other countries
Why?
Egg prices aren’t high solely because of bird flu. They’re high because of regional monopolies and a price fixing cartel. The largest egg producers are seeing record profits.
I hope it’s clear that I’m not saying bird flu doesn’t exist or affect prices. I’m not much of a conspiracy theorist. But if I had to guess, I’d say it’s 10% bird flu and 90% companies raising prices in unison because they can blame bird flu. If it were just bird flu, the companies would be losing money.
NB: it feels very weird to call them “egg producers” because hens are the actual egg producers. Egg distributors, maybe? In any case, the distributors are doing fine and their only competition in most regions are small, organic farms whose eggs were already $7 a dozen. It’s just the low end of the market that’s gone crazy.
They’re not letting a good crisis go to waste.
It has to be both. I notice our smaller egg seller (still bigger than a local farm, but not huge, maybe a 2 or 3 state provider) still charges 3.50 a dozen.
Which is in stark contrast to the garbage eggs from the countrywide sellers asking 8
it feels very weird to call them “egg producers”
Chicken pimps?
I endorse this. From now on, chicken pimps is what egg suppliers are called.
This is important to bring up. If we want to stop being subjected to this kind of fuckery, we need to unite and vote with our dollars. I love making egg-based dishes, but there are other options. The real problem is most people struggle with the idea of making sacrifices to get what they want later. Just don’t buy eggs as an average consumer if they are that unaffordable.
In the United States, we are spoiled for choice when we shop. We’re used to being able to get what we want when we want it, and that’s led to a sense of entitlement. Eat other things, get creative. Look up effective substitutions for eggs in baking.
We don’t have to take this. So don’t.
I’d say it’s 10% bird flu and 90% companies raising prices in unison because they can blame bird flu.
Why yes, there was no consequences during covid so the companies are gonna keep doing this until there are consequences.
Remember, there was the bread price fixing in Canada too, yeah, feels like such a long time ago
Remember, there was the bread price fixing in Canada too, yeah, feels like such a long time ago
It’s funny that we talk about this like it’s past tense but bread is still $6 a loaf
I respect this, as an American. We should be focusing on buying American goods. And sometimes that means there are going to be shortages and limits on natural resources. But I’m not upset by it either. I’d prefer to buy local or buy American in general, and trust that it’s all been done by employers who use E-Verify (so that all employees are legal and being paid a legal wage), where our labor laws are enforced.
I wouldn’t be willing to buy imported eggs. I’m barely willing to buy imported produce, and seek to avoid it when possible.
Nah that’s a bad idea, we should embrace international cooperation. Globalism will actually deliver your cheap eggs instead of lying about it like national socialism did.
