Summary
A Tesla Cybertruck crashed in Piedmont last November, killing three college students after hitting a cement wall and bursting into flames.
The California Highway Patrol (CHP) attributed the crash to intoxication and high speed but found that the victims likely died from the fire.
Testimony revealed the vehicle’s doors would not open after the crash, preventing rescue attempts. A survivor was pulled out after a bystander broke a window with a tree branch.
The CHP’s investigation into the crash remains ongoing.
Who gets a self-driving car only to drive it drunk?
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I wonder what dad thinks of this? He’s probably all in and ordered another Leon before the funeral. That’s the thing with a lot of these MAGAs, even when it personally affects them, they still will not change their point of view or give pause to even think about it. Dad will probably double down on the CT now and think it’s all the “lamestream” media that is making this up. It’s very difficult to fight that level of fanaticism.
What other selling points are there?
I think the point is if you’re dumb enough to drive drunk, you’re dumb enough to use the “self” driving system while drunk and at least have a lesser chance of a fatal accident than driving drunk.
The (not) fsd system might still kill ya, but it does get a lot right as well.
“Heyyyyyy at least it’s better to driving drunk”
You don’t sound drunk enough yet to make the stupid decision.
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Their testing was like yeah we took the window and sobmerged it to the bottom of the bay. Of course it would survive.
I bet, if they were to analyze the car’s logs, they’ll also find that nasty behavior in the software, where it disables all the autodrive stuff before impact, including ceasing to brake, so it can’t be “blamed” for causing a wreck. (Whether or not they were using it at the time.)
But there’s emergency latches!
They’re just hidden somewhere in the doors and you need the owner’s manual to figure out where they are…
…And the owners manual is probably digital and accessed via the infotainment system. (Shout-out to the fuckers at Ford who did this.)
Oh for sure!
And the car is on fire so the infotainment system doesn’t work anymore!
Womp womp
That should be illegal, Jesus.
And are fucking worthless if you’re unconscious. Bystanders can only watch you burn to death.
One of the worst things about this incident is that it was some teenagers and early 20s kids. College freshman that burned to death or died of inhalation while someone tried to rescue them 😢
That is absolutely horrible and heartbreaking to read. I wish more people would actually understand what dangerous pieces of trash Tesla’s are and quit buying them all together.
It’s an excellent metaphor
Well, say what you want, but tesla is the only one doing something to reduce the republican voters base.
That’s not true! Their battery suppliers play a big role in ensuring there’s just enough contamination to get through inspect and still catch fire!
This made me laugh. Thanks.
But when he attempted to pull Tsukahara from that same window, Riordan testified, “I grabbed her arm to try and pull her towards me, but she retreated because of the fire.”
Remember that the right wing media rushed to blame this on speeding and intoxication without mentioning that they were still alive and able to move when the vehicle was on fire. They were cooked alive inside, foreseeably and preventably, and that was covered up in a way that maximized the shame the victims’ families felt. Deplorable.
The Cybertruck fans have basically just decided that because one of them was a drunk driver they don’t need to think about the rest of it and it’s fine that they died.
Finding hard to summon sympathy for someone that would still buy a Tesla after the far right lurch from the owner. I feel terrible for myself, as I should care that 3 young lives have ended, but can’t help but think they were likely enemies of a democratic US.
I’m all for hating Musk, but drink driving feels more evil than owning a tesla.
There are cameras inside the car, it self drives… imagine if it used AI to decide if the driver was Jewish. Or queer. Or just a particular individual who might be thrown out a window were they in Russia. And it steered itself into a wall and burst into flames, destroying any internal telemetry that might tell the story.
The technology is there. The regulatory agencies that might investigate are gutted. There is nothing but the integrity of a few programmers standing in the way. Programmers whose livelihoods and perhaps admission to the US are at stake.
That feels awfully thin.
There’s a fucking conspiracy theory for the nutters.
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I don’t think that a lot of the people who would be likely targets for such an attack are the same people who would be buying Teslas in the first place.
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The customer demographic has drastically changed
They might well already have Teslas. They are far more likely to drive them (I think) than the good old boys out in the country.
imagine if it used AI to decide if the driver was Jewish. Or queer. Or just a particular individual who might be thrown out a window were they in Russia. And it steered itself into a wall and burst into flames, destroying any internal telemetry that might tell the story.
That’s basically how the plot of Upload kicks off, and when I realized “holy crap, that’s totally possible”.
You’re the only other person I have ever heard mention that they had watched that show. I liked it. I thought it was decent, but nobody else seemed to.
Another good one with a related theme of technology morality is Made For Love, I think it’s from Max
Yes, now Made for Love was great. Way better than Upload imo.
Damn, I really forgot that show existed until just now…
It was fine…
Oh, I think it’s great. Can’t wait till season 4 drops. Definitely an underrated show especially if you like near future, corporate dystopia black comedies. There’s also the meta humor that it runs on Amazon Prime Video.
Oh, I thought it was canceled. The last season I saw was season two. I should check out season three!
AFAIK, it’s not canceled. It just goes forever between 10-episode seasons that always end on a cliffhanger.
Edit: Ah, the upcoming fourth season is the final one.
Four seasons is a pretty good run for this type of show, IMO; at least if it’s as well planned and thought out as The Good Place (not to dissimilar concept) was!
I think I’m also only around ~2 seasons in, as I cancelled Prime a while back… might have to fly the black flag and catch up on S03!
I enjoyed it as well! You are not alone, fellow Upload.
How have I never heard of this show?
I don’t even recall how I heard of it, lol, but it’s really good. Definitely one of those hidden gems in the sea of crap-quality streaming shows.
If you can get over the weird color saturation thing, it wasnt good enough for me to have that bizarre super bright reds and pinks
Very underrated film. I saw it in theaters and thought everyone was gonna go crazy for it then barely heard anyone talk about it.
Because it’s an Amazon Prime show?
Sorry, I was thinking of Upgrade lol. After all, we are talking about AI powered vehicles.
It’s a show.
Oh, my bad. I was thinking of Upgrade.
There are cameras inside the car, it self drives… imagine if it used AI to decide if the driver was Jewish. Or queer.
How would a camera determine if you are queer?
Also, I am just imagining the piles of blackmail material Tesla has on it’s customers.
AI. I didn’t say it would do a good job, lol. It’s a conspiracy theory. It doesn’t have to make sense, it just needs to be barely plausible.
Were the owners of this vehicle up to date on their door opening subscription?
Ok this has happened like 5 times now, how tf are these allowed
Well, the government organization that allowed consumers to complain, get the money back along with a settlement, and have the product recalled, was recently “fed into a wood chipper” by the guy who makes the cybertrucks.
Are they saying the doors were not damaged and still didn’t open? I could see the doors being damaged and resulting in them not opening. I’m sure that’s common.
If the Cybertruck gets water into the door (y’know, like from rain) it’s pretty common for the doors to also just open themselves whenever the fuck.
It’s amazing what’s common with these trucks, I recommend everyone read the Cybertruck Owners Forum.
The doors use a push button mechanism to open. There’s no handle, no place to grip, nothing. You tap a button, that opens the door. Meaning if the internal electronics have been messed up, congratulations, that door isn’t opening.
You can open the door by basically disassembling it and pulling on a cord, but nobody knows how to do that
Someone outside of the vehicle cannot access this cord. Unconscious or disoriented passengers are fucked.
Someone outside of the vehicle should be either calling an ambulance or grabbing the jaws of life and telling the door it doesn’t have a choice in the matter.
The jaws of life cannot be used if the vehicle is actively on fire.
Passengers dying because of the vehicle’s aesthetic features is another square on the Tesla bingo card and another example of the insanity that this country has fallen into.
Yeah, that sounds really easy to do while burning to death.
If only there was an easily accessible handle of some kind that could be used to open the door…
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Who did Musk bribe to allow this ugly fucking deathtrap on the road?
He bought the Presidency. Not eve a bribe at this point.
He moved operations to Texas where regulations can get fucked and he bought the United States government and fired anyone looking into his shit. Sign up now for Neuralink! You will never get out.
So, Abbott.
Wasn’t Abbott the straight man? I’d expect the funny man, Costello, to be the source of this level of chaos.
I don’t think it’s road legal in the EU. something about not passing safety tests.
Huh, can’t imagine why they’d say that.
…they broke the window with a tree branch?
Yeah, it’s just laminated glass, with borosilicate external layer
thats what PYREX(the capital P and p) glass is made off,
It’s bullet proof, not pointed stick proof.
/s needed apparently
It’s their marketing selling something non-existent, the patent doesn’t mention anything about bullets.
The glass is not bullet proof.
The stainless steel doors are small caliber bullet proof.
Resistant
There is no guarantee to stop even a small caliber
Small caliber at high velocity would go straight through
You could say a thick metal wall is small caliber bullet proof because no matter what velocity, the small chunk of metal is never passing through a few decimeters of solid metal.
Small caliber piercing round at high velocity, straight through the stainless steel door.
Slap some plastic on that bad boy
You’d really trust that as a bullet shield?
Normal 9mm across the street. Probably going through
There are plenty of videos out there showing it stopping repeated 9mm bullets. But you’re right, the velocity will also come into play.
Yeah, I watched one from official Tesla youtube where the guy shot it with a bunch of stuff.
It did stop the 9mm with the rounds they chose
The buck shot pierced the door and cracked the window because it was rolled down.
Buck shot is smaller caliber with higher velocity.
I need to find a video of someone trying to get a 9mm bullet to go through it rather than basically a paid advertisement.
This one is recent and it does various calibers / velocities
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufoLITv26R4
it did stop a subsonic and supersonic 9mm. The supersonic one was pretty close to going through though, I wouldn’t have been surprised if he did a dozen or so if one would have.
The shots that ripped the metal instead of piercing through it were pretty wild.
For the record a decimeter is about 4 inches. “a few decimeters of metal” is a lot of metal.
Yep small caliber proof for sure
My favorite part of decimeters is 1 inch is 1/4 decimeters. 3 decimeters is foot.
So if it’s like 8 inches. I can just say 2 decimeters
From there you can say 20 centimeters or .2 meters
If something is 12ft it’s 36 decimeters or 3.6 meters
There’s no easy way to turn 8 inches into centimeters other than knowing that 1 inch is about 2.5 centimeters or just estimating in centimeters to begin with.
You could say 8 inches is 2/3 of a foot. 3ft to a meter. So 1 ft is .30 meters. Then it’s 2/3 of a foot, so .30×2/3=.2.
Decimeters are the missing link for Americans to convert
Yards to meters is 1
Feet to meters is 3
Inches to decimeters is 4
Things like a 36 inch doorway, 3 feet, would be 9 decimeters or .9 meters
Common measurements of inches:
12 - 4 Decimeters
18 - 4.5 Decimeters
24 - 8 Decimeters
30 - 9.5 Decimeters
What they would use otherwise would be
.4 meters
.45 meters
.8 meters
.95 meters
Saying the standard doorway is 9 Decimeters is way better than saying .9 meters.
If you rounded to 1 meter. You’re adding 3 1/3 inches. Which is a 10% increase.
A decimeter tape measure would be nice.
Is it loganberry proof?
The glass is not bullet resistant. The doors barely qualify, if they don’t have to stand up to an actual firefight.
Why are these cars even allowed to be purchased? Does America not have road safety standards? Can anyone just make a car and as long as it has headlights and seatbelts sell it to people?
Were still kinda being held together by pre-1970s protections, but those are slowly going away, too
The US is a complete joke unless you’re loaded.
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I thought it obvious that law means nothing in the USA unless you’re poor now.
Our safety standards are kinda bad, along with headlight regulations and stuff.
When it comes to people inside the car, they’re incredibly good. There are lots of cars you can buy in Europe and Japan that wouldn’t even try meeting US safety standards.
That is, until some jackass decided on putting too many gizmos in a car without thinking about how you open the door while the battery is on fire. And is currently dismantling the parts of government that tell you not to do that.
Those standards also don’t do much for people outside the car. Beyond Tesla, that’s been the real tragedy of US safety standards over the past few years.
Even inside the car isn’t great, just look at allowing electronic door latches, and giant touchscreens that distract you while driving.
Well we have some standards …like they forced Musk to put mirrors on the Cybertruck, because Elon wanted to make it without mirrors and just use cameras.
Our safety agency actually rejected the headlights that turn off around other cars, in favor of LED lights that blind the fuck out of everyone no matter what setting you use.
That tells you everything you need to know about American “safety”.
Regulatory capture. For the most part, Automakers can determine if their vehicle is safe, as long as they have certain hardware requirements (Like airbags, backup cameras, and a roof that can support the weight of the vehicle.) Heck, I remember some Tesla engineer saying that the mirrors are only on the truck because they couldn’t get the legislation mandating them removed in time to replace them with cameras.
It got 5 NHTSA stars for driver safety, 4 for passenger, anyone caught outside of it are acceptable casualties. And as far as I know the manufacturer can self-certify.
While you are burning alive, please take the time to appreciate the fact that the Cybertruck has a 5-star NHTSA crash rating.
