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Summary
Ontario Premier Doug Ford warned that Canada could cut electricity exports to the U.S. in retaliation for Donald Trump’s new tariffs on Canadian goods.
The U.S. imposed a 25% tariff on most Canadian imports, citing border security concerns. Ford emphasized that U.S. states like New York and Michigan rely on Canadian energy and should “feel the pain.”
Canadian officials also announced $155 billion in counter-tariffs.
If enacted, energy restrictions would likely raise prices in the U.S., escalating trade tensions between the two countries.
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On the slim bright side maybe just maybe this might make the US think of renewable energy, it’s why China invests so much into it to prevent relying on countries for oil.
Ehh who am I kidding, that’s not going to happen at all.
More likely they’ll reopen coal plants
The children, they yearn for the mines
Drill baby drill!
Cancer baby cancer!!
No worries! The climate catastrophies will get most of us well before cancer does.
Oh honey. Burning fossil fuels is responsible for 1 out of every 5 deaths in the world TODAY.
china has thier own internal problems, thats probably the least of thier worries.
China invests so much into it
China is building two coal plants per week. And their “green” programs are just facades to take Western money.
Yep, taking Western money by Chinese companies buying Chinese renewable energy equipment and paying Chinese installers. Taking western money by building out renewable energy faster than the rest of the world combined, in their own country using their own companies with their own finances
I’m talking about stuff like this
China added more coal power in 2023 than the rest of the world combined.
And more renewable energy. And more high speed rail. And has over 90% of the worlds BEV buses.
There’s some truth to Chinas claim that they’re still a developing country and they need to massively build out to bring more of their population up to developed standards.
There’s also some truth to the claim that central planning without regard to supply and demand means they seem to be building out more power than they can use. Hopefully that translates into coal power plants going unused
And more renewable energy. And more high speed rail. And has over 90% of the worlds BEV buses.
You sound like a wumoa. These are literally CPP propaganda talking points. Especially the high-speed rail line.
What does “high speed rail” and “BEV buses” have to do with the discussion about renewable energy? Nothing. It’s just thrown in to say “China good, West bad”.
I don’t know what that is so can’t be offended, but don’t be blinded by the lies rolling agenda that any country is bad: even the worst regimes sometimes do good things
What does “high speed rail” and “BEV buses” have to do with the discussion about renewable energy?
Everything. Renewable energy is not just renewable electricity generation but applying it to more energy users. A Deisel bus is a dirty polluter that can’t use renewable energy, but a battery electric bus is a way to use renewable energy for transportation.
One of the fundamental requirements of more renewable energy is “electrify everything”. Electricity becomes the distribution medium letting us use renewable energy for more things
I don’t know what that is so can’t be offended
A wumao referees to someone who is a paid shill for the CCP, they get paid 50¢ per comment they make.
Renewable energy is not just renewable electricity generation but applying it to more energy users. A Deisel bus is a dirty polluter that can’t use renewable energy, but a battery electric bus is a way to use renewable energy for transportation.
Sure, that’s a valid point. But it becomes entirely invalidated when you consider that most of that electrification comes from coal plants they’re building at breakneck pace. They’re averaging two entire coal power plants per week. That’s over 100 coal fired power plants per year. They are building more than ALL other countries combined.
Then there’s the consideration that your argument only applies to the very few places they can actually do that, like in major urban cities. Everywhere else in the country they still have to rely on ICE transport out of practicality.
And this also ignores that their renewable initiatives (outside of EVs) are giant shams.
https://www.dw.com/en/how-a-chinese-firm-ran-a-billion-euro-carbon-credit-scam/a-71010148
https://freedium.cfd/https://medium.com/@lanekwriter/the-grass-is-greener-in-china-f835368ae8c
Edit: autocorrect
Fracking was our answer to energy independence.
Fracking is the answer to, How can we poison our underground aquifer while continuing to put even more greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere? I guess when we’re dead we won’t need energy. Checkmate fracktheists?
Agreed. It wasn’t the right answer, but it was the one the government pursued.
maybe this might make the US think of renewable energy
Probably the opposite. There are a lot of blue states in the NorthEast importing Canadian hydro as a cleaner energy source than burning fossil fuels. I’m sure the repugnicans line will be something like “if only they used good old American coal from Wyoming or West Virginia”
I’m pretty sure Minnesota imports something like 60% of our energy - i’m at least glad we’re past the worst of the winter weather but holy fuck is it going to suck
“to cut” is very different from “could cut”
One of Canada’s worst politicians says he’ll do something useful for once.
Incredible watching the downfall of American hegemony in real-time.
Acellerate! MORE ACCELERATION!
Good for them, maybe our economy will collapse too, and an angry mob will storm the white house and kick Trump out. He can emergency evacuate to Russia, and we can find an administration that isn’t insane.
Heyy… a guy can dream.
sort of the best case scenario
Best case Ontario.
Im still flabbergasted that so many people are just shrugging at what Trump is doing and saying, well, if only Kamala or the DNC did this or that instead. Maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess.
Leftists aren’t capable of self reflection.
Oh, how disappointing, I thought leftists crossed a broad spectrum of thinking and many were annoyingly, mutually, critical.
Which semi-fictional political segment generalization is self-reflexive then?
I guess you proved your own point.
Imagine thinking Harris is a leftist
I think you had a reading comprehension fail.
In general, the more a person brags about something, the less true it is — and Americans love to brag about how tough and free they are…
We won’t do shit until we are literally starving. Look right here at Lemmy, non-stop memes and stories about how what horrible economic shape we’re in. So how is everyone fat?! Meanwhile, I go to work and look at what’s for sale, at what prices, and think, “Jesus, people pay for this?!”
Even the Great Depression didn’t have us storming the White House. Think on that.
tl;dr: Americans aren’t near broke enough to band together.
Very true.
But we’re speedrunning the fall of America.
Give it another year or two. You’ll start seeing widespread violence. We can only cross our fingers that it gets directed properly toward our traitorous government.
Yeah, thats why I said a total system collapses. And that’s not out of the question.
You say that but the other team went far into your capitol and they looked well nourished enough.
The great depression had the bonus march. They camped in front of the white house and were dispersed with tear gas and cavalry charge led by Douglas MacArthur.
Considering he won an undisputed election and at least a quarter of his base are gun nuts, plus police love to use excessive force & violence, that scenario would probably play out poorly for pretty much everyone. I would say try to show conservatives how terrible he really is, but that’s not going to happen in Lemmy. I’m not even conservative, I’m anti-authoritarian centrist but even I find this place extremely hostile to conversation with anyone who doesn’t embrace the group-think.
Nobody is going to support trump if the whole system collapses. We’ve seen it play out over and over across history.
If you take a shot at the king, you best not miss.
In reality, it isn’t shitty enough for people to revolt. 3 days of food scarcity and shit will happen that makes the French revolution look tame.
And that is when you stage a coup.
Well, yeah. But if people try to forcibly remove him before that happens probably there will a lot of unnecessary beatings, incarceration and death. Honestly even leftists have been saying this system needs torn down for decades. So if he tears it down, build back better.
I wish we weren’t pinning our hopes on angry mobs. But you play the hand you are delt.
I’d prefer we do more than kick Trump out. Like…guillotine them all.
Yup.
It isn’t just Trump that has to go. It’s every traitorous Republican in Congress who have abdicated their responsibility to the Constitution and to every single U.S. citizen.
Broadcast it live on PBS!
This was just off by 50 years.
Cept that is what the rich want. Shit to fall apart. Cuz then they get to buy shit up for cheap and consolidate even more wealth.
That works until their shit gets burned.
When the only things left to buy have to be built with hands and eyes, they will have to share the wealth with the rest of us.
The rich aren’t going to be buying anything if the dollar is literally worthless. Hyperinflation is no joke.
The Rich™ want to buy the dip and buy up property (see project 2025). They need the economy to break but not to completely collapse. And then it will “bounce back” enough that they can transfer their USD to other currencies.
Whether trump’s fucking stupidity will accomplish that seems REAL questionable.
That said: Massive power outages (also, this is just the equivalent of a state governor with a crackhead brother saying it to appear strong to Canada’s conservatives) might be what this country needs to get out en masse in places other than the blue states.
With a dead crackhead brother you mean
Also, they won’t be buying anything if they become festive decorations on fences and lampposts across the country.
Feel free to get on with that angry mobbing.
(Copy-pasting from another thread)
I like Cory Doctorow’s plan.
The reason Canada got tariff-free access to sell to the US in the first place? Canada agreed to enforce penalties for tampering with digital locks, following the premise of the Digital Milennium Copyright Act.
If the US is going back on the deal, then Canada should too. Make it legal to jailbreak all US tech.
Doctorow advocating for this plan:
- On Democracy Now
- On his blog
- On his podcast
- In the Ursula Franklin lecture at the University of Toronto’s Innis College (I especially enjoyed this one, but it is the longest)
Thanks for sharing this info mate…It’s a eye opener…Just fuck the technocrats.
Now that’s an idea! Hit us back where it hurts, right in the oligarchs
Doctorow likes to put it as “hitting them right in the dongle”.
Big up DemocracyNow. Every American should have them as one of their sources of news.
We could stop respecting US copyright laws everywhere outside of the US. That would be hilarious.
I mean I already don’t respect them, but legally they still matter unfortunately.
Ford didn’t care about Canadians when he did nothing about the housing shortage for the last 4 years, I wonder why he pretends to care now?
Pretend to care just won him another 4 years as premier so why wouldn’t he?
Those bribe cheques certainly helped
Ford was literally pro trump and congratulating him when he won, he pivoted almost immediately to gain favour with Canadians and it worked
Whatever the reason is I just hope he doesn’t suddenly turn and start supporting MAGA at some point. God knows he’s corrupt, the shit he’s doing and been trying to do here in Ontario is absolutely awful.
If I have to deal with another 4 years of Ford at least let him keep up the fight against Trump and his administration.
virtue signalling, hes probably doing this for political pts.
This headline makes it sound way more imminent than I’ve been lead to believe. The first order of business is just messing with things like Florida orange farms and Kentucky bourbon, then we might escalate.
Please please please only do this during the day. 8AM to 5PM. Don’t put the squeeze on the voters. They either didn’t vote for trump, or they were so dumb that they did vote for trump won’t understand why their electric bill went through the roof. Do this during the day to shut down the businesses that stumped for trump, sent him millions of dollars and bent the knee in the hopes the tax burden will get shifted further down the income scale.
But definitely do it!
Trump’s tariffs don’t just apply to business hours. Americans need to feel the pain that Canadians will.
Sure, if you want to have fair tariffs.
If you want to have effective tariffs that reverse trumps policy, then you need to be more selective.
I disagree. If people are comfortable, they won’t want to change the status quo.
Don’t put the squeeze on the voters. They either didn’t vote for trump, or they were so dumb that they did vote for trump won’t understand why their electric bill went through the roof.
The whole point of democracy is the voters have an impact. If nothing changes for the voters don’t be surprised when they vote for the same party next time.
70% of American voters allowed Trump to be elected by either voting for him or not voting. Only a minority of 30% tried to stand against him. I hope Trump has a hell of an impact on the 70%. Every one that cries that they voted for him but have lost their job or whatever fully deserve it. Nothing he is doing now wasn’t known before the election. None of it is a surprise. The only surprise is that 70% of Americans supported him destroying their country.
Sorry. 24/7, just like the tariffs.
It will hurt. That’s the point. Maybe it’ll hurt enough that y’all DO something about the absolute fuckery happening down there. Canada didn’t ask for this shit.
I hate that this is where things are but pretty soon folks will need to get to the FO part of FAFO.
You can’t bomb people into loving you. A lesson hard learned in the Middle East.
Sure, you can run those tariffs 24/7, and it would be totally in your sovereign right to do so. However, that’s not going to change anything. Trump may be a blithering idiot, but the Peter Thiels and Stephen Millers feeding him all those “bright ideas” certainly knew that equal tariffs from Canada would be the response. The line here will be “Canada is attacking you, and shutting off your power”, and the trump supporters will gag themselves choking down that line of rhetoric as hard and as fast as possible. Thats not going to solve the tariffs problem for Canada though, it will only make it worse.
If you want revenge, equal tariffs. If you wanna actually stick it to the people that stuck you and force them to backtrack, go after the businesses bottom line.
This all just seems incredibly sad to me. As a nation, it sounds like the fight has been completely beaten out of you all, so much so that you’re afraid of even a little pain, vote based on empty promises and sound bites, and blame each other instead of yourselves.
You all traded your freedom for convenience. You’re like flowers, opened wide, waiting for rain rather than vines that seek.
Best of luck to you all. We have to prepare ourselves, as members of the global economy, for this economic fallout. I’m prepared to fight and suffer, if I have to protect my own way of life.
Pain is fine. Pain is deserved. Pain needs to either be felt as a whole or target the most deserving.
But shutting off electricity mainly affects people without any power (😁) and that had the awareness to vote against this horror. Trump and co will just laugh “see the poor snowflake liberals what happens when they import clean electricity instead of good old American coal”.
I can’t argue that we don’t deserve it but I can hope for something more likely to help make a difference
That’s exactly right; the policies that your government is putting forward only hurts middle and lower class on both sides of the border.
Honestly, the only way to overthrow a dictatorship is to roll heads. They’re not going to be voted out, that’s for sure.
I think about what the Dutch did to the De Witt brothers for selling out their territory to the enemy. They were hung upside down with broken legs, sliced up. stabbed, fingers and toes cut off, faces cut off, genitals cut off, then disemboweled them alive.
I personally prefer the big bagel slicer option but to each their own.
You can’t bomb people into loving you
That’s what Canada needs to teach Trump. It’s needs to be 24/7 or else he thinks he got away with it.
Damn… your comment being at zero upvotes is making me realize just how much everyone hates us. I know zero isn’t really anything on the surface. But I would’ve thought your comment would resonate a little.
But naw, everyone is, rightfully, just fearing for their countries right now and wants to, understandably, punish.
I fucking hate my country rn, I protested today even. But I know we’re in a bad spot and I kinda looked to countries like Canada as our last hope in defeating the pieces of shit running our country.
Guess I was delusional that they would still prioritize us “good” ones and keep us safe. But like… why? Why would they?
Oh well, no one who’s lived in a collapsing empire throughout history wanted to. And a lot of people died, and they probably didn’t want to lol.
I hope I don’t die, but I hope for good to prevail more. And if I die in the process of the defeat of this fucked country, and the world order that follows is something better. So be it… shits rough.
What right isn’t always popular, and what’s popular isn’t always right.
I can’t blame people who just got slapped with a CoL increase because the great orange leader of the dipshit bigot brigade needed neded new meat to toss to his base. If you’re throwing punches everywhere, some bystanders are gonna get bloody noses though.
Hurting New York will only make Trump more popular with his base.
Yes cut the power. Please do it. Let our stupid government realize they are royally fucking up.
Ford’s “smile” masks the grim reality of trade wars hurting everyday citizens on both sides. Effectively summarizes the stakes and implications of Ford’s actions.
🐱🐱🐱🐱🐱
Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Glad that Canadians are standing up for themselves.
Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it… America needs to learn, I say this as an American.
Honestly, I don’t think there’s going back to any level of normal. Maybe by quickly destroying the system, we will be able to quickly rebuild it (after all the destruction to everyone’s lives)
Elon and Trump seem to be intentionally destroying the system, or are so profoundly stupid that they’ve pulled a “We did it Patrick! We saved the city!”
Honestly with those two I can never tell if they’re being dumb or malicious.
I can definitely tell that they are always being malicious. Sociopaths like them doesnt do humanitarian acts, it is always exclusively about themselves
Him blanket accusing a guy of pedophilia simply because he was getting more attention and didn’t wanna use a Musk made submarine was everything I needed to see to know he’d turn out like this
They are absolutely intentionally destroying the system
