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Tech billionaire Elon Musk agreed on March 2 with a post on X, formerly known as Twitter, for the U.S. to exit NATO and the U.N.
“I agree,” he wrote in response to a post from a right-wing political commentator saying “it’s time” for the U.S. to leave NATO and the U.N.
The news comes after several Republican lawmakers submitted a bill on the U.S. exit from the U.N., claiming that the organization does not align with the Trump administration’s “America First” agenda.
The U.S. was among several countries, including Russia, Belarus, Israel, and Hungary, that voted against a U.N. resolution at the end of February condemning Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
Both NATO and the U.N. were founded by the U.S. and other victors of World War II to promote diplomacy and cooperation between nations as well as to prevent another global war.
Musk, an unelected official, currently heads the so-called U.S. Department of Government Efficiency, which has cut significant amounts of government spending, including life-saving foreign aid.
U.S. President Donald Trump has repeatedly criticized fellow NATO countries for their perceived lack of contributions to the military alliance and has called for a spending target of 5% of GDP for all members.
Kyiv sees NATO membership as a crucial safeguard against future Russian aggression, but Trump said in February that Ukraine “can forget” about joining the alliance, suggesting its bid was a trigger for the war—an argument echoed by Russian state propaganda.
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NATO I can understand, but why UN? Un would be a mistake
To once again prove how much of an utter dumbfuck both of these guys are.
The United States (along with UK) were the first two members of NATO. Making them the founders, so the United States is a founder. If Trump cared about there being an “America First”, this should have been no concern of him because it was after-all part of an American idea.
The United States (along with other countries) was the original founding member that started the United Nations. If Trump cared about there again being an “America First” agenda, this also should never have been a concern since this was an American idea.
America apparently is not a priority when you consider these facts. It’s more like “Trump First” than “America First”.
America First was the slogan of the isolationist/anti-interventionist/pro-Hitler forces of the US in the 1930’s and the 1940’s. History never repeats itself, but it rhymes. I think many Americans are not aware that there is a substantial segment of the population that agrees with Hitler’s original thesis and just feel that he executed the war poorly. The Nazi rhetoric and holocaust denials are very deliberate and the destruction of the liberal world order that formed in the aftermath of World War II is the ultimate goal. I’ve strongly felt that the Ukraine war was the single most important issue in the 2024 election and the common goal of destroying the western led world order is what the project 2025 team, Trump, Putin, and Tucker Carlson all have in common.
Leaving the UN would mean giving up US veto power. This would be one of the stupidest decisions of all time. No wonder Elon wants to do it.
good point, they will be out of UNSC as well.
Name one time US veto power was used for good.
For making an argument to appeal to musk, that’s besides the point. In fact because the veto power being used for bad it is probably is a more appealing point
Mostly it’s just the USA vetoing anything including the word Palestine, except for this one time in March last year China vetoed something including the word Palestine so the USA didn’t even get the chance. Here’s a list of Vetoes with links to the documents HERE
warning: some of them can be a little doom-foreboding so maybe don’t read it if you enjoy your sanity
Given the only UN Vetoes since 1989 were from USA, Russia, or China they haven’t been used for much good in general, but there was this one time in January 1990 that they vetoed a denouncement by Nicaragua over the US invasion of Panama following the military general’s takeover and abuse of power to deal in drugs and human trafficking.
Although there is the nuance that he, General Manuel Noriega, and other militant factions had ties to US Intelligence before that.
Although there is the nuance that he murdered those other factions upon taking power.
Although there is the nuance that he and others also had ties to multiple other intelligence agencies around the world.
Although there is the nuance that the only reason Nicaragua had anything to do with any of this is that the USA ended up moving troops through the Nicaraguan Embassy in Panama and beating up Nicaraguan Envoys who tried to stop them.
Although there is the nuance that the heavily armed US Troops in an active war zone showed great restraint in not seriously wounding or killing any of the men during the brawl.
Although there is the nuance that the US Troops supposedly stole a bunch of stuff while they were there.
Although there is the nuance that throughout all of this, the Nicaraguan envoy Ferrey spoke very favorably of Panama’s then brutal, newly formed, militarty dictatorship who, as I mentioned before, ran a lot of drugs and human trafficking operations. The military were probably searching for somebody that they didn’t find, assuming the Nicaraguan’s to be co-conspirators.
Fun fact, the document LINK HERE still lists the full name of the USSR in 1990 lol.
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I don’t know if the EU/NATO can actually exist without US backing; those are fundamentally US projects created to serve US interests (not that the dumbass Trump regime understands this), without the US they’ll enter crisis.
The last time Trump was President we had Brexit. How long until another Euro skeptic government forms? Germany saw AfD achieve its best result in the history of the party, and it’s only a month into Trump’s term.
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Another way to phrase this: In the absence of US hegemony, the endless wars inflicted on the Global South will finally come home to the imperial core. Millions can be slaughtered all over the world and it’s not world war, it’s only “world war” when it happens to white people.
The chickens are coming home to roost.
Not really. Oppression and civil unrest will come home, car bombs and Troubles style. Nuclear armaments preclude other things.
But if the US goes and the EU does not step in, the era of soft power global diplomacy is over. People like Musk will take over the reins and we will have colonialism like never before.
We already see what a power with unchecked power can do in Gaza. Imagine the US doing that, just to the whole of Latin America.
The only people who will face your “just retribution” is the working class everywhere, but as an ML, you must be symphatising with them. Do you?
What even is soft power? Sanctions are siege warfare by other means, intended to inflict suffering in the population to destabilize the country. Meddling by USAID, World Bank, and the IMF are intended to subvert democratic power and prop up dictatorships and ensure continued underdevelopment for maximum exploitation and the generation of superprofits. Meanwhile, covert action by the State Department and intelligence apparatus leads to endless regime changes and coups and civil wars and mass slaughter.
“Soft power” is a myth. It only looks soft because it doesn’t involve US troops directly fighting and dying for the empire. Furthermore, colonialism was defeated by anticolonial resistance, not US soft power. Neocolonialism, too, will be defeated by resistance. Israel failed to defeat Hamas, and when the US does Operation Condor 2 and Monroe Doctrine 2 it will fail as well.
Have some revolutionary optimism. Stop being a doomer.
Maybe they used it to object to serving English food for lunch once. That’s probably the only time it’d be justified
FUCK THIS GUY SO HARD. I swear to god this lunatic needs to be stopped.
This lunatic is a danger for the world. He is an unelected unaccountable person with the power of the presidency. It’s terrifying.
Preferably a bullet
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Please don’t put words in my mouth.
Who?
Isolationism won’t make America safer, just lonelier on the global stage.
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Wait until the US dives deeper into the fuck around part and countries start putting sanctions on them.
Russia isn’t going to be buying a pile of Musk’s shitty Cyberlemons.
Perfect, I’d rather they step away and let us remake it into a n EU group.
Leaving the US inside the NATO still gives them veto rights.
Musk is a moron, instead of the US leaving NATO, why not just move. He can just go to Mars as far as I’m concerned.
B/c if he can make the US like Russia, he can achieve his obvious goal of becoming the world’s first trillionaire w/in the next 3.5 years. At that point, he will probably just become a shadow king… I mean more-so that he already is.
FWIW, I think it’s funny that the macOS dictionary doesn’t recognize “trillionaire” as a legit word. Of course, it shouldn’t be, but we all know it’s inevitable.
He never wanted Mars or any scientific endeavors, he just wanted public adoration, that’s all he’s ever wanted. He paid hundreds of billions just to get to a place where he can try to influence as many people as possible into liking him.
May as well. At least then the cowards can’t block Ukraine from joining NATO because they’re scared shitless of Putin.
I publicly support deporting this laminated-faced welfare queen.
I publicly support ejecting this unelected scumbag from our country.
I publicly support ejecting that unelected scumbag from a passenger jet enroute to anywhere away from our country.
No, we don’t want elon either, keep it in your country
He would be ejected mid air, preferably over the ocean.
Over the pacific plastic paradise (garbage patch) preferably
And, I can emphasize this enough, with no parachute.
The US intentionally leaving the organizations they have domination over as a means to exert soft power globally would certainly be good for weakening the US Empire. This seems like a case where the architects of Empire failed to raise successors and as such the ones with the reigns are now “true believers” in the architects’ web of lies.
Both NATO and the U.N. were founded by the U.S. and other victors of World War II to promote diplomacy and cooperation between nations as well as to prevent another global war.
claiming that the organization does not align with the Trump administration
Checks out.
Note how he did not say that it doesn’t align with the US.
It’s kinda like Brexit
Except even the UK at it’s most anti-EU still understood that NATO and the UN helped them more than it cost them.
The strength of the US as a power and economy would be devastated if they forfeited their standing in those organizations. Particularly the UN hardly demands anything of the US but broadly caters to US sentiment. It’s a super cheap channel to exercise US soft power.
Basically destroy all things that made the US a world leader.
Nato is the only reason we European country bought those ultra expensive F35 paying billions to purchase and operate them.
I wonder what’s going to happen to the new Gernan rifles of the US military.
They’ll get expensive.
