Summary
Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.
Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.
During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.
The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”
The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.
Finally a f**king actual headline. That was a disaster and a disgrace for all Americans. I can’t take these meek be “explosive White House meeting, where maybe Trump was possibly speaking angrily, but please Mr. Trump don’t sue us, if you disagree!”
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I’m glad we get to see this shameful display. I wouldn’t talk to a dog like that, much less the democratically elected leader of another sovereign nation that’s an ally. The US used to be a beacon of freedom and diplomacy, but clearly we shouldn’t expect that from the current regime.
Europe will keep supporting Ukraine regardless, but it really is in the US’ interests to stay involved in this conflict. It’s disconcerting that Trump can’t seem to grasp that basic fact.
Any links to the moment or moments? Or did they bury this already? I was busy when it happened and then several of my engineering and science friends came into my lab and they were all talking about it.
It’s all on YouTube, pick your poison as far as channels go. Best bit is at the end where Trump says at the end “this will make great TV.”
Oh man I watched it. It was terrible! Like on a personal level Trump is such an asshole! Otherwise it would be hilarious and once done you could flush Trump down the toilet. Unfortunately there he is, an asshole at the whitehouse. Just spewing shit.
Wrote up a summary months ago (with reputable sources!) about this stuff, and was permabanned from Lemmy news and politics for it.
Idk man, you can tell people stuff, but it’s so hard for them to access what’s real right now. There’s a concerted online effort to suppress factual info.
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Good, that is the point, I want people to be safe, stay alive, have food to eat and homes to live in. Take care!
The trouble is that this was probably intentional, you can see the vp is literally an attack dog in this case, but I still think it’s likely that if zelensky stroked trumps ego it wouldn’t have ended that way. It’s like trump is pro Russia but also narcissistic and they are sometimes at odds.
Does that link lead to a “Server error” for anyone else?
That sucks and permabans really shouldn’t be a thing except in extreme causes of threatening to like harm/dox some one and stuff like that. Not seeing where you did anything to get banned at all, but especially not permabanned.
If Lemmy just ends up being another reddit that’s going to suck so bad.
We need a government social media that allows us to sue mods for freedom of speech violations, and allows us to host and have a centralized area for town halls and city concerns, eg like local FB or Reddit groups.
Until then, whatever, I won’t shut up and they will have to keep banning me. I’m only on these “big” socials to let people know this stuff, otherwise I stick to niche independent forums that focus on 1 special interest. The difference between posters there, who are real and human and there to discuss the interest instead of psyop, and the posters on big socials, is night and day. The little indie forums don’t really need to ban people because they aren’t the focus of psyops, and so you get to see a wide variety of opinions and less of an echo chamber. Idk, I miss the old internet
yeah the best subs on reddit are almost always at least semi-niche with mods who are serious about the topic but not a-holes. I haven’t had many issues with many mods but I still avoid most of the main subs simply because the discussion there is often very weak.
Do you have any recommendations on how to find indie forums? I don’t know if there are lists or whatnot out there.
Oh, these are independent websites. Not sections of Reddit.
Here’s an example, the Ray Peat Forum (renamed Low Toxin Forum), I’m not a member/believer of those ideas, but I trawl through their studies sometimes for research with other stuff (better than r/science sometimes), and I love their fights so much: https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/this-guy-says-he-has-found-the-holy-grail-on-how-to-remove-excess-copper-iron.53550/
To find this forum, I believe I typed in something on a search about fat soluble vitamins and forums (or discussion board) and it came up. I take time to sift through results (go a few pages deep to find the lower SEO results) and see if the forums I find mention sister forums. I then will search stuff like, “Is Low Toxin Forum reliable?” and see who is talking about the forum and what they have to say.
This doesn’t work super well though for politics, stocks, news, or crypto, I’ve found - those forums tend to be scammy for some reason. But ironically I’ve been on several gambling forums and those aren’t nearly as sketchy.
Ah yeah I was actually talking about non reddit places. I do remember the pre reddit days when those forums were common. Maybe it’s rose colored glasses but I do remember the convos being a bit deeper.
Well, hopefully Lemmy or someone figures out how to do reddit better than reddit tbh.
Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”
Unlike
KrasnovTrump, who is responsibly destroying the US Government and undermining the USA’s alliances and foreign influence while doing everything he can to hand Ukraine and Europe to Russia. That’s just responsible statesmanship.Has a VP ever sat with the president while meeting with a foreign president like this? Maybe Biden in Obama’s first term? Cheney and Bush the 2nd behind closed doors but never in front of the cameras
I really wish Zelenskyy had said something to Trump like “Why are you letting him speak for you? Are you not the one in charge?”
Anything Zelenskyy did would have been an excuse. There was no winning this exchange, short of Putin dying in the middle of it.
As usual, Trump is projecting. Someone is “gambling with WWIII,” but it sure ain’t Zelenskyy.
+100
Anyone who thought this would work out differently was simply not paying attention or was being willfully ignorant.
US provided a deal Zelinsky simply could not sign and they knew it. Chump set Zelinsky up for this shit show cause, in his world, Chump either gets the deal he wants or he gets to act/look tough.
And how masculine/tough to have Couchie there backing him up cause Chump isn’t brave enough to do it all on his own.
And, of course, all concludes with disastrous results all around.
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Trump wants zelenaky to take peace at any cost… Zelenaky won’t take that offer and wants assurances. Trump insults him as a war monger who wants ww3??
God what an example of political double speak. Trump is a lying idiot and he’s the one gambling with ww3
Trump’s Hot Take: If someone breaks into your home, begins stealing stuff and murdering your family, just stand by. You don’t want to cause a stir.
Trump’s Hot Take: Give me half your stuff and I’ll help you stop that other thief/murderer.
It’s a great deal because he’s gonna take everything.
He’s specifically saying he won’t help them stop Russia he’s saying he’ll help a cease fire which Russia always breaks, legit I don’t know of a single cease fire Russia has ever honored.
Even with Sweden they’d lose make peace then try again
Yeah and when you go to take that deal, he and his little brother berate you, blame you for being the victim, and tell you the deal’s off.
Honestly fuck it we know appeasment doesn’t work, I’d rather have WW3 now when Ruzzia is still just a middle power with a ton of second hand equipment than let them take half of eastern europe and build up some serious strength before finally having WW3 anyway.
US gets to be the Nazis this time.
Are we taking turns or…?
On my turn I vote we just do a lot of speed and forget about all the rest of it. Maybe we’ll do some amateur rocketry too
Someone is “gambling with WWIII,
Could it be the deranged wanna-be dictator/mobster, and associates, who want to seize Canada, Greenland and Panama?
Any government who spend billions on wars is gambling with WWIII
I’m gonna say it out loud: you are all getting fooled like a bunch of idiots by trump and US government.
USA government wants more war. Here you are praising war and that diplomacy has failed, you are playing government game.
That was harder to watch than Isis beheadings
Eat shit, Pumpkin Tits.
You too, couch fucker.
Most pathetic behavior from nation leaders i have ever seen, how Trump and Vance even talk is unbearable, its like watching the Boys in actual real life unbelievable. It would be funny if the world wasnt at stake
Cringe.
Remind me what Trump’s Russian asset code name is?
He reminds me of the president of Belarus too. That’s not good for the future of America.
Ah yes, President Krasnov.
King Krasnov
FTFY
I just can’t understand why Vance would interpret Zelenskyy as being disrespectful for politely, calmly, and carefully articulating his point of view on how diplomacy has failed him and his country. Vance seems like the type of person I would basically laugh at and walk away from if I were in a situation to have to hear him be “alpha and in-charge”.
It was like watching a scene from an episode of a reality TV show from the early 2000s.
He didn’t, he was just saying that it was disrespectful cause he wanted to show what a good little bitch he is.
It was like watching a scene from an episode of a reality TV show from the early 2000s.
That’s not a coincidence.
I mean, the “president” is the guy from The Apprentice. 🤮
Love how the guy who said “I’ll make up whatever stories I need to” told Zelenskyy, after being asked if he’s seen what Ukraine is going through: “Oh I haven’t personally been there but I’ve seen stories.”
Stories from where, vice couch-humper? RT News?
It actually sounded like he was about to say he had actually been there, then realized he was about to lie about that to a guy who would immediately recognize and likely call him out for lying, so he then course corrected with a seriously lame response.
Because they went in wanting to find a way to make Zelenskyy seem unreasonable. They have no intention of helping Ukraine at all and now it’s going to be because he didn’t immediately kiss Trumps feet.
I just wonder what type of people saw that and thought Zelenskyy was the unreasonable one? It’s rhetorical, I know what type of people think that… sadly.
Yeah, accuse someone who just wants his country to survive a constant and ongoing aggression of “gambling with World War III”, and kiss the ass of the aggressor despot who constantly threatens to nuke the world if someone looks at him wrong.
