Israel has sparked global outrage after dropping leaflets over the besieged Gaza Strip, warning Palestinians to either cooperate with its forces or face forced displacement or eradication. The messages, written in Arabic, carried explicit threats, including the chilling statement: “The world map will not change if all the people of Gaza cease to exist.”
The move, condemned as a psychological warfare tactic, has intensified concerns over Israel’s military campaign in Gaza, with many seeing the leaflets as an open admission of ethnic cleansing.
The threats also reference a so-called “Trump plan”, aligning with recent remarks by US President Donald Trump. who suggested the mass expulsion of Gaza’s population to neighbouring countries. The posters featured images of Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who is facing accusations of war crimes and crimes against humanity and wanted by the IC
As i have seen many people in the commemts who think that this was not the plan of the Democrats and that the Palestinians would be better off under Harris. Here is a range of articles from Oct. 2023 to Jan. 2024 and a recent one discussing Bidens similiar plans of ethnic cleansing and the subsequent greenlighting of genocide, when it failed.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/01/08/biden-gaza-restrain-israel-hamas-ethnic-cleansing/
Then I guess the election shouldn’t have been a referendum on Palestine for anyone and Trump should have been stopped for all the things he’s now getting away with.
How’s all the progressives feeling about Genocide Joe and Kamala now?
It’s nice to see centrists coming around to at least pretending that they don’t love genocide for its own sake, if only because it gives them an excuse to badmouth their only actual enemies: progressives.
How do you feel about the two party system? Do you think it’s representing the populace very well?
Stop deflecting. Progressive purity testing has resulted in the death of US democracy and a dictatorship. You get what you deserve.
Democrats dropped our pushed out progressives in favor of non trump republicans just like in 2016. But yeah totally only the progressives fault
Well I’m of the opinion that fElon hacked the voting system anyway. I wouldn’t be surprised if the POTUS has been rigged for the last 50 years.
So that’s your theory but still blaming progressives for the dnc inhiblity to actually win? (or do anything that isn’t move right?)
lol. The progressive purity testing is intolerable and insufferable.
I feel like this is not functionally different from what they did. I feel like, if this was such a fucking important election that MAYBE Biden and Kamala should have changed policies on Gaza rather than continually sending aid, weapons and bombs to genociders. That if they truly believed their rhetoric then maybe they should have actually listened to the base that told them aiding genocide would lose them the election.
Yeah, I’m pretty fucking pissed at Biden and Kamala for losing to Hitler 2.0.
Oh, and before you say it, yes I voted for Kamala and told everyone I could that it was the best person to vote for. I also said this would be the thing that lost her the election.
The DNC had to do so little to appease the progressives. Literally just let a Palestinian speak. Or say anything other than “Israel has a right to defend itself”. Maybe actually host a sympathetic Imam. That’s all they had to do and they didn’t even try to do that.
If it easy such an important election, democrats would have passed electoral reform so other political parties could join in on the fight to defeat the republicans. Who could say no to more then one chance to win?
I feel like this is not functionally different from what they did.
Unreal… Nobody can really question it I guess, since we’ll never really know.
But what a bunch of fucking horseshit. Of course it’s different. Are you serious?
Of course it’s different.
Yeah. Now you’re pretending you don’t love the genocide instead of cheerleading it like you did for the last year of the Bidenyahu administration.
If it’s so obviously different, tell me how Kamala would have reacted? When did Biden withhold aid or did Kamala even hint at withholding aid?
Biden was literally shipping bombs to Israel right up until the moment Trump took office.
Of course it’s not different. It’s a giant black spot on Biden’s legacy.
We could have only hoped that Kamala would have been different but frankly she gave 0 indications that she was willing to deviate from Biden’s policies.
Different how? Trump being openly okay with words instead of Biden saying he was against it but continuing to send weapons, money, un vetos etc?
They started this, trump is finishing it, they wouldn’t have done anything different
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I am a Jew. I have never supported Israel and I have always condemned it.
That never seems to matter though. To people like you, I’m genetically a Zionist.
Nice, straight up antisemitism.
Really wishing Kamala won. She’s much less bad. Still quite bad, but much less bad.
This is really sick but at the same time that’s what you get for supporting monsters.
They cant leave through Israel, or by the sea, and only through rafah if they get humanitarian approval as a medical patient. So they cant leave regardless of what the stupid leaflets say. So its just intended to terrify Palestinians. AKA terrorism.
It’s intended to justify killing them when they don’t leave. AKA genocide.
I’d been thinking up to now that its the land the Israelis want, but if that were the most important thing to them, they’d be letting Palestinians leave the area. The fact that they wont let them out means they mostly want every single Palestinian dead, and stealing the land comes second. Thats a pretty striking level of pure evil.
genocide much?
Can I get a religious war with a side of genocide? Oh, it’s a package deal and I also get free racism? Cool.
the colonial project far supercedes religion here
Yeah, it was European colonialism with a side of antisemitism. Amazing how it turned out.
What many do not know is thar Theodor Herzl and even the first Israeli prime ministers were hardcore atheists. Zionism faced much opposition from religious Jews.
How Israel Went From Atheist Zionism to Jewish State
Zionism as a national movement that rebelled against historical Judaism was mainly atheistic. … Due to the sweeping opposition of the rabbis of Germany, Theodor Herzl was forced to transfer the First Zionist Congress from Munich to the Swiss city of Basel.
But beginning with the first stages in the consolidation and settlement of the Zionist movement, it was forced to meticulously sort and thoroughly nationalize some of the religious beliefs in order to turn them into nation-building myths.
here have some fun
That’s impossible. We didn’t reelect Biden/Kamala.
I wonder where the genocide deniers are now.
Mask completely off now. It’s good old Ethnic Cleansing time, with our full and enthusiastic support.
8/10 Israelis openly support the ethnic cleaning of Palestinians and Gaza via Trump.
https://www.newarab.com/news/8-10-israelis-support-trumps-gaza-ethnic-cleansing-plan?amp
I don’t necessarily disbelieve that number but the “Jewish People Policy Institute” is a reactionary right wing think tank that has great interest in pushing that narrative, so I wouldn’t take that number for absolute truth either.
Always was.
It was blindingly obvious this was a genocide on like Oct 8th or 9th. The atrocities have simply ramped up every month.
The IDF started Oct 7 shooting hostages to kill hamas. They spent every month after that bombing the hell out of every bit of infrastructure in gaza.
They used snipers to kill children. They shot more hostages with a “woopsie” after the fact. They shot aid workers trying to bring food. They shut off power/water/electricity. They shot at doctors working in hospitals. And they didn’t constrain their genocidal thoughts to just gaza. They expanded into the west bank and later into Lebanon.
The Israeli fascists have simply relied on calling everyone “antisemitic” for calling out the actions of a rouge state.
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Achingly unfunny.
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Nah, Mar-a-Gaza…
Chump gets more of the profit that way… And likely his name on it to boot.
Amerigeddon Park
Don’t forget to check out the Restaurant at the end of Humanity exhibit.
Did you ever use Disney+? Oh goody! We can poison you and sell the organs, then!
Good lord. If you’ve ever been to Israel you know what a bunker mentality they have to live with at all times. Can you even imagine going to live in the Gaza Strip after Trump “develops” it and puts condos there?
But hey, we sure showed Biden with that protest vote. Way to go team. Instead of using continued pressure to bend the party that at least listens somewhat, we now gave Gaza the dictator who gives 0 fucks. High five. /s
Update: Complain all you want about this take. I’ve been a lefty union member all my life and I got so much shit for saying Biden would not be as bad as Trump for Gaza. I got called Blue MAGA, tankie, and other trash from my own side because I saw it for what it was. Netanyahu wanted Trump to win for a reason. Now y’all want to justify your handing the country to Trump to make a point or give me shit for calling it out. Fuck you right back. I voted Bernie in the past, Biden was never my first choice, but pretending voting for a no chance in hell fake like Jill Stein was a possible alternative is bull shit. We live in a winner take all representative Republic. Until the system is changed, every election is the lesser evil vote. In the mean time, you don’t hand the country to the oligarchy’s mascot and his fascist mob. The people of Gaza will be paying even worse, but now add Ukraine, LGBTQ+, Federal workers, unions, people of color, immigrants, and everyone making under $150,000 a year to those who will suffer worse. We needed to come together to stop Project 2025, but we had to let the perfect be the enemy of the good like always.
I wonder why we don’t hear “genocide don”? People wouldn’t shut the fuck up for like a year with the “genocide Joe” shit.
I tried explaining what you’re saying to those people dozens of times - Trump would be same or worse in Gaza, this is not the election to “teach the dems a lesson” with, and Trump will be far worse on a dozen other very important issues. Barely got one reasonable response, usually just “so you love gennercide!!” Either shills for Trump or very stupid.
You sure rattled the monkey cage with this one
Idk who would call you a Tankie for saying Biden is better, the Tankies support Trump.
On Lemmy.ml is where that one was flung around.
Lmao that’s a fucking Tankie instance tho
We spent over a year using every means of pressure we had to bend the party and all we had to show for it was more billions for Israel. Nothing would have changed if we voted for the party that spent the last year ignoring our demands.
Instead, you got the party that sent 2000 lbs bombs and wants to eradicate the people of Gaza so he can build some casinos.
the party that sent 2000 lbs bombs
That would be both of them. By June 2024 Reuters was reporting that the US had sent Israel 10,000 of the 2000 lbs bombs.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-has-sent-israel-thousands-2000-pound-bombs-since-oct-7-2024-06-28/
If you bomb a refugee camp with one 2000lbs bomb or two 1000lbs bombs, will it make any practical difference for the women and children who have their bodies blown apart or burn to death?
You’re arguing against a straw man. They’ve been using 2000lb bombs the whole time anyway.
Biden floated a plan to displace all the Palestinians in Gaza too, but he was unable to get any Arab country to go along with it.
Trump will face the same obstacles.
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Biden was already sending loads and loads of bombs for over a year
Nothing would have changed? Hahahahaha. Well you got your change. Congrats on creating even more dead Palestinian children. You seem weirdly proud of having their blood on your hands.
So almost until Biden left office, Israel was killing an average of 100 to 300 Palestinians a day. What do you think would have magically changed, if Biden had continued into a second term, or Harris had taken over who had vowed to continue Bidens policies?
You claim the Democrats would have suddenly ended their policies of over one year of genocide, despite stating the opposite. Can you please point me to the evidence that this would have happened?
As @queermunist@lemmy.ml pointes out, Biden tried to fo for ethnic cleansing in 2023. When that met the resistance of the surrounding countries, he decided to escalate to murdering as many Palestinians he could get away with without sparking a revolt in the US.
The only difference in policy is that Trump is speaking the quiet part out loud.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/01/08/biden-gaza-restrain-israel-hamas-ethnic-cleansing/
The ceasefire is still ongoing, despite Israel’s provocations. I know you’re horny for more genocide so you can feel good about being “right” about the lesser evil, but so far the number of dead children has dramatically decreased since Biden was in office.
but so far the number of dead children has dramatically decreased since Biden was in office.
The reporting on it has certainly decreased, but I don’t think either you nor I can say this is true with any amount of certainty.
Besides, “Israel is playing nice now that they have their ace in the White House” isn’t really the big win you make it out to be. Biden continued shipping armaments, Trump is doing that and more as well as actively making plans with Netanyahu for the expulsion and destruction of Gaza.
The only way we were ever going to fix this from our side of the ocean was by putting a warhead on Netanyahu’s forehead but that was never going to happen with either choice.
Israel isn’t just playing nice, the ceasefire is ongoing. Hamas wouldn’t play along if it was all fake. Every day Gaza isn’t being turned into rubble is a win and lives are being saved.
Yes, Israel is doing this because they want to help Trump. That doesn’t mean the ceasefire isn’t a good thing.
Israel will face justice for its crimes, but that will happen regardless which demon gets elected president of the Great Satan.
Israel will face justice for its crimes
When and where?
when
When the US can no longer protect them. The empire is clearly in decline.
where
In the very land they stole. The Resistance was not defeated, after all.
Tell me what Biden or Kamala would have done different? Remember all the red lines that functionally did nothing to US policy?
It was under biden that, we estimate because we can’t know, that ~500,000 gazans died. It was under biden that we continued to send bombs to israel even as Israel pushed the entire population into a concentration camp next to egypt.
Gaza was already under a dictator. Way to go Biden and Kamala, instead of giving a single fuck about your electorate loudly told you, you sucked the teet of pro-israel donors and it lost the election.
You fucks keep spouting this drivel but are weirdly quiet about what’s happening currently. Sure, many more Palestinian children are going to die because of your tantrum but if you just keep throwing the tantrum maybe you won’t have to look at the blood on your hands.
Because what’s currently happening is ONLY possible because of that Biden and Harris did. It’s liberals that were quiet about genocide occurring because their preferred flavor of fascism was doing it, and you want to talk about blood on your hands?
Trump is talking about seizing Gaza and make it into resorts and we still get “JORR BIDEN”.
And they apparently think Ukrainian children are worthless.
Where are you getting this? You’re the only one mentioning Ukraine.
Yes we understand that it’s very important to you that no one mentions any of the side effects of your behavior. Your tantrum about Biden taking the hardest foreign policy stance with Israel in decades not being enough needs to justify the fact that you’re all in here gloating about how much harm you were able to cause. More genocide in more places. Your goal of more genocide, in more places, happening faster has been achieved, you evil pricks.
There’s really no reason to give genocide supporters like you the benefit of the doubt at all. Even if you’re just a cry baby with no understanding of foreign policy, it’s not a good enough excuse for the blood on your hands anymore.
the hardest foreign policy stance with Israel in decades
Oh christ. Get new ridiculous lies.
I’ve heard very little about the Ukrainian genocide. Oddly these people so upset about Gaza never noticed that Trump would eagerly enable Russia to “finish the job”, as Trump said about Gaza.
Tell me what Biden or Kamala would have done different?
This question was not answered.
It won’t be, because libs don’t have an answer for this, they just want a more polite genocider in office
For starters you can see what Trump claims to be doing different from what was being done:
Continuing weapons shipments haulted by Biden
Putting an actual literal unapologetic genocide advocate in charge
I do indeed miss the days when headlines talked about the POTUS cussing out Netanyahu, which actually happened at several different events. It’s no secret that Netanyahu showed favoritism to Trump, and it doesn’t take a fucking rocket scientist to know why.
For starters you can see what Trump claims
You believe what trump claims? Is it because he also supports genocide? And why do pro-genocide centrists always think that “Oh, You think trump is better?! HUH?!” is some sort of a fucking gotcha? We warned you that if you didn’t abandon the genocide that is the only thing any centrist has ever been capable of truly loving, YOU WOULD LOSE. You did, and you’re blaming everyone to your left for being able to read the writing on the wall.
I do indeed miss the days when headlines talked about the POTUS cussing out Netanyahu
Conveniently behind closed doors where it doesn’t matter. If we had “behind the scenes” biden instead of the biden that actually exists, we might not have trump again.
You are literally saying “you’re being quiet while throwing a tantrum”. Which is it, am I being quiet or noisy? Or is this some sort of weird quiet tantrum?
Yeah, look at how effective your strategy of running from responsibility has been. You and the DNC’s policy of blaming progressive voices IS what lost them this election. How about you keep doing that louder. Maybe you can go strike a deal with the Republicans to level just half of Gaza. Because that’s what Democrats in Congress are currently talking about. They are pissed, not because they lost, but because their constituents are calling them demanding they do more.
Biden decided it was more important to send billions in weapons to israel as they committed genocide than to listen to protestors, so much so that he thought it was worth losing their votes over it. Harris continued with the same rhetoric. You’re ignoring over a year of things getting worse and worse in Palestine while insisting that somehow the democrats ignoring voters during an election when they need the votes are somehow going to make things better when they don’t need the votes. You’re admonishing people protesting against genocide in order to defend a party that has authorized billions in weapons to israel as they’re committing genocide, with Biden even bypassing congress to do so. Think about it.
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Biden wasn’t able to hold back the tide ethnic cleansing and war crimes the IDF has inflicted on the Palestinians. It is very unlikely that a Harris win would have reigned in the killings, bombings, and all that have taken place since the election.
If you can’t understand why people would abstain from supporting one of two genocide supporting candidates who had shown no interest in making things better, you’re just as much to blame for the current US admin as those who did not vote.
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And you’re too high on American exceptionalism to realise that the words coming out of the White House have zero impact on the experience of Palestians.
The war crimes, ethnic cleansing, and indeed genocide would be happening the same. The only difference is you need to make up for thinking it would be less horrific if you had a leader who’d wasn’t so mask off about it.
Okay then stfu about Trump since you think he and Biden are equivalent.
You seem to have mistaken not materially different to Palestinians as equal to equivalent.
And that I didn’t talk about the bad stuff done by Biden and Obama, and the Bushes, and (the) Clinton(s).
Maybe if the Democratic party was more willing to make more materialistic changes we wouldn’t’ve had first Trump, let alone Trump 2. It is naive to hope that, and things for American sexual and ethnic minorities would be, generally, better under democrats. But they’re a holding pattern until the Republicans get in, and Dems don’t have people’s backs.
But my original point was that if you’re so blinkered to not even be able to understand why progressives and anti-imperialist would sit out of the 2024 election, you’re not going to be able to talk them round to vote for Your Guy™ if there is an election again in the future.
Rather than understand a dissenting point of view, you dismiss and villify people you should be trying to work with and understand.
Get friendly with Black Bloc and maybe we can all make things better for everyone at home and in the Middle East.
Wasn’t able? He sent weapons, money and everything Netanyahu needed. Had he stopped sending money and weapons and the genocide would have stopped that very moment.
Exactly. And he didn’t. For whatever reasons he wasn’t able to do anything but allow, if not actively encourage, the actions of Netanyahu and the IDF that led to the deaths of dozens to hundreds of Israelis, and tens of thousands of Palestinians.
He was able to, it was a deliberate decision not to
It’s nice to see centrists finally object to the genocide they cheered for a solid year under Bidenyahu.
Stop apologising for genocide.
Centrists have no other policy. They can’t.
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I find your windy post confusing, but I think the issue is that Biden is not “better” than Trump on Gaza, just possibly “less bad.” And they are much closer to one another on this issue than most others. Every election you see the two parties compete to show who can bow down to Israel the most.
It’s neat watching centrists get mad that trump is implementing their only policy.
end the party that at least listens somewhat,
That’s funny, everyone, everyone know they don’t give a fuck what we have to say. They were willing to lose an election before listening to what we had to say. It was able time people held them accountable for refusing to represent our demands. Liberals refusing to listen gave us another round of Trump
STOP FUXKING PATTING YOURSELF ON THE BACK FOR FUCKS SAKE. All you’re doing is driving a wedge between people who oppose the genocide. Do you support the genocide? Because shit like this makes it seem like you love it because you get to say “pfft. Well this is on those people over there and I was sooo right.”
Why is this so fucking important to you? Shut the fuck up with this. Every single time there is horrifying news about Gaza. You pull out the blaming stick to say “this is the fault of thise people who didn’t like the genocide!” Shut the fuck up this isnt about you and how fuxking right your vote was.
Do something better. If you actually give a shit. Because it’s very possible you don’t and are more concerned with labeling yourself as having been right and washing your hands of the situation
For fucks sake
Stop driving a wedge into people who drove a wedge.
If you can’t stop aiding genocide when you have the legal authority to do so, you probably won’t do anything for democracy.
…and here we are
Uno reverse take: not voting help the tangerine terror who will level Gaza
Gaza was already leveled prior to the 2024 election. On Gaza, no vote mattered. Lip service or the honest cruelty of it all. There are plenty of reasons to hate trump (this still being one of them), but if you think any US president was gonna actually put a stop to this…lol
You would have preferred a non-US president?
I would prefer that the US president follow the laws and the will of the people
Edit: and in the instance of Gaza, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leahy_Law
Quit calling out the bullshit that led us here.
Are you interested in others being able to participate in democracy or are you only interested in commanding others to vote for your preferences?
Think only having these two unreasonable options to choose from is unfair and not a real choice? Me too, thanks.
Videos on Electoral Reform
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.
100% - we need to change the system so we don’t only have two choices. Third parties winning will not happen till the system of voting is changed. That takes work outside of elections.
Several states put ranked choice balloting up for a vote in 2024, all of them voted it down except for Alaska which was a referendum on the system already in place.
https://www.npr.org/2024/11/08/nx-s1-5183210/nonpartisan-primary-ranked-choice-voting-results
Portland attempted it at the city level and saw a 20% drop in voter participation on the ranked choice candidates for mayor and city council. People could not be bothered.
We had a vote on that in the UK too.
Again, shot down. Both sides put aside their differences and put full effort into killing that. Apparently it was too expensive (“we need incubators, not a fair voting system!”) and too complicated.
We will never have real democracy. They’ll never let us have it and anybody powerful enough to overthrow them won’t allow it either. It’s just wrong lizards until one of them does away with the farce.
Oh look.
The thing we said would happen is gonna happen.
I didn’t vote for Harris because Trump didn’t do genocide
I wonder where all those people are now. Because they were REALLY active leading up to the election (and shortly after).
I wonder if they realize they were wrong.
EDIT: Oh, they’re here, just had to scroll more.
At a glance, no, they don’t seem to be taking responsibility, and even still seem to be taking the moral high ground.
Which suggests it wasn’t even astroturfing…lol
Harris and Biden prioritized continuing the genocide over beating Trump. They are to blame for this just as much as Trump
My stance was “Trump is going to make a lot of things worse, including the ongoing genocide in Gaza. You’re either for Trump or against Trump, and if you’re a single issue voter, you’re either voting in favour of, or against, making the genocide worse”.
Some people told me that the Democrats are definitely in favour of the genocide, but who knows what Trump would do! I told them everyone else knows. They told me it’s impossible to know because there was no genocide during Trump’s first term, but there was during Biden’s first term. So Trump is a safer bet for single issue voters.
Regardless, single issue (non-)voters have succeeded in making life much worse for Americans and Palestinians.
We would still be supporting Israel with Biden in place. The only difference is there would be a few “we are very concerned” statements from the White House press secretary instead of Trump’s reality TV show statements. But in the background, the same number of MK84 2,000lb bombs are being transported by the same military vehicles and they blow up on top of the same people.
if you’re a single issue voter, you’re either voting in favour of, or against, making the genocide worse
By what measure is trump making it worse than it was under biden, biden supplied the weapons for a 15 month long genocidal carpet bombing campaign, has trump done something worse than that?
The threats also reference a so-called “Trump plan”, aligning with recent remarks by US President Donald Trump. who suggested the mass expulsion of Gaza’s population to neighbouring countries. The posters featured images of Trump and lsraeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
How is that worse than a genocidal carpet bombing campaign?
In combination with what Trump has said before, and with what Israel has been doing, this isn’t a peaceful eviction. This is Trump pushing for “finishing the job”. Or, “completing the genocide”, to use more straightforward terms.
Pointing this little fact out on Reddit is hilarious as people go absolutely bananas.
I say people but they’re likely bots.
Democrats happily stated they would support this as well. If only they tried being different.
Well good news! You don’t have to deal with Democrats anymore!
Have fun dealing with the Republicans on this now!
Thanks! Trump found out the same thing as Biden yesterday; Egypt and Jordan are not accepting the ethnic cleansing. Trump, like Biden, has walked back the plan.
Same shit. Different Nazi at the helm.
Yup no problem, glad you’re happy with how things turn out! Hope future elections work out for you in the same way! Go team Ned Flanders parents!
Ned Flanders’ parents are essentially the democratic party personified. You’re trying to wash their hands of blame because “Have fun dealing with the Republicans on this now!” but democrats did absolutely nothing to court voters during the election. On the economy, the biggest issue of the election, they lectured people who were struggling to afford necessities with “well ackshully the stock market and GDP” which has nothing to do with the average American’s finances. Even now democrats use “egg prices” as a shorthand to mock people who cannot afford groceries and who might’ve voted republican.
It’s literally “we’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas” as a platform. All they can do is point at republicans, like you are doing now, and shriek about how bad things are going to get while they allow it to happen. Remember how they shrieked about how bad trump was and how much we have to defeat trump during the 2020 election? They went on and on about how many illegal things trump did and then when they got into office, they put in the milquetoast merrick garland as attorney general who did NOTHING for four years. Now we have trump again.
You can’t just dismiss this as “that’s in the past” because democrats will continue being spineless losers until the end of time because that is their role in this puppet show that the rich put on for us to make us think we have a choice in the matter with this sham of a “democracy”.
Man, we’ve had this discussion a time or two already here on lemmy after you’ve jumped in after these guys who make it clear they’re proud of not voting and you never seem to get that one can hold the Democratic party overall as ineffective jackasses and yet still realize that Republicans are worse in every conceivable way and get all upset when you’re both sides everything, acting like Oprah with “you’re a genocider and you’re a genocider”, call everyone a Nazi when only one side is actually doing salute in pubic viewpoints gets shit on. If you’re proud of your vote for Trump or not vote for Harris over the Gaza situation then fine, want to continue to teach Democrats a lesson sure, that’s your prerogative but you also have to deal with the fall out that is reality now.
Also, you can say what you will about Democrats, they suck. Yeah they do. That they’re ineffective. Yeah, I’m tired of Jefferies and Shumer talking about bipartisanship too. But if you actually think that Democrats are no better than MAGA and their polices are no different and you refuse to vote then your opinion holds no weight and you’re not living in any type of reality here, all you have to look at is DOGE, his cabinet members.
You want the Democrats to change then fucking vote in the primaries and back a progressive but when you don’t get your candidate, don’t throw a kiddie tantrum and not vote and spout off both sides nonsense and sit out because your team didn’t win. You’ve have and had people that are fighting for change of the democratic party, and yeah it sure seems slow but progressives such as Ocasio-Cortez, Omar, Lee, Bush, Crockett and Pressley have made it into congress but again, change takes time and it 's been forty years of this so change isn’t happening overnight. If you guys want to keep sitting out because of the sham of a “democracy”, which again thanks to Americans not voting this election we won’t have to deal with “democracy” ever again, then fine but don’t expect change if you do and stop complaining when nothing does change.
And as for reality, you do have to deal with Trump and MAGA now on anything related to the middle east so good luck with that there isn’t a single Democrat or Progressive that’s in charge of that now.
keep trying to blame the dems for letting trump into the white house
you campaigned against harris trying to save gaza
you got trump
Don’t you think they’re still in their offices in Russia? I think they might be following the German election
Let’s watch the zionists scramble to protect the settler colonial entity and calling the use of the word “genocide” an overreaction, or even more hilarious, antisemitic.
Any other source on this?
Mainstream newspapers are too busy plastering Israeli propaganda on the frontpage. But here is Democracy Now!
Israel murdered all the journalists they could find, so …
Not to worry, Palestinians. Once Israel and the US turn Gaza into a gaudy magaland theme park, I’m sure Trump and friends will welcome you back with open arms. /s
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Zionists hate Jews which are not the right color. Your comment is doing a lot of conflating.
So this Wikipedia statement is factual then?
The arrival of Zionist settlers to Palestine during this period is widely seen as the start of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. The Zionist claim to Palestine was based on the notion that the Jews’ historical right to the land outweighed that of the Arabs.
Ethiopians are not Arabs. Arabic Jews experience much less racism in Israel then Ethiopian ones.
Yes but it is important that in the past the word Jew got used a lot instead of Zionist. While factually correct, the sect doing behind the colonization of Palestine were all Zionists. A cow is an animal but an animal is not a cow type of beat. Whateverr reason they used was made up retroactively. Initially they thought about colonizing Uganda but then went for Palestine.
What makes it more confusing is that Zionists saw Jews as an ethnicity.
Whereas religious Jews did not define themselves by race but by religion.
25 people have upvoted this bigoted bullshit.
This is why I will always be labeled a Zionist no matter what I say or do. It doesn’t matter how much effort I have put into trying to stop this genocide or how much I condemn Israel… nothing I ever say or do will be enough because I happened to be born from certain parents.
I also never call anyone a goy, or consider myself chosen. Again though, that doesn’t matter. To at least 26 people on Lemmy. Probably far more.
Idk im Jewish and tbh I have absolutely no problem with that? Obviously calling someone a goy as a derogatory term is odd but imo not bigoted, also I get the feeling you probrally support the genocide.
Mean words on the internet vs War Crimes. Oh poor you, you’re so oppressed aren’t you.
I’m not always with FlyingSquid but I’m with him on this one. People on lemmy are oh so progressive but under the guise of "criticizing“ religion, you can get away with saying the most horrible shit and people will be celebrating you.
Like, what does Judaism as a religion have to do with Israel colonizing & genociding Palestinians? Yeah they call themselves Jewish and they want a Jewish ethnostate, I get that. The Nazis did the same thing without any religion, the Soviets & CCP as well. People are just horrible and will use any excuse to dehumanize, subdue, kill other people.
What do you achieve by comments like the top level one? The murderous bastards will just be like "oh antisemite buhu, anyway“ and the people just living their lives minding their own business or people active e.g. in JVP are being insulted for no good reason despite being on the right side of history.
I read it as a jab of the religious right in Israel that in large part are the die-hard supporters of the genocide and use do scripture as justification. However, I have to agree with that the post is wide open for other interpretations, including antisemitic ones. So it’s not a good post.
But all this “Woe is me” stuff i don’t get at all.
Claiming that Israel and Netanyahu’s government speaks for all Jewish people is exactly what Zionists do, too. Jewish people have been co-leaders of every action for Palestine and against genocide that I’ve been part of.
Following through on this threat would likely result in another Arab-Israeli war.
Not with the US support that Israel has now.
Israel always had US support. The difference now are just words.
