Summary
At the Munich Security Conference, JD Vance criticized European leaders for suppressing free speech, mishandling migration, and ignoring populist concerns.
He questioned whether Europe’s values still aligned with America’s and warned of a “threat from within,” rather than Russia or China.
His speech, which largely avoided discussing Ukraine, shocked attendees and drew condemnation from EU and German officials but was praised by Russian state media.
Vance’s private meeting with Germany’s far-right AfD leader and his dismissal of mainstream politicians further deepened tensions between the U.S. and Europe.
death to america?
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mishandling migration, and ignoring populist concerns.
I think Vance is a tool, but can someone explain how these two points aren’t objectively true?
“Mishandling migration” is a pessimist position. With this position you can be wrong all the time, and then when an event occurs that false in the pessimistic view “you” claim full victory. It is similar to the story of doctors and a terminal patient that keeps outliving the diagnosis (although doctors dont celebrate the moment thay are proven right).
For example why “populist concerns” are not to be taken too seriously are football hooligans. True (white) nationals tearing down city centres, yet you don’t hear anything about “bad integration” or “religion of peace”, or any conversation from that corner.
“Mishandling migration” is a pessimist position
If you follow that logic nobody is allowed to genuinely criticise immigration policy.
“In Germany, a firewall has long existed preventing mainstream parties from engaging with the far-right Alternative für Deutschland owing to its Nazi origins. But Vance said there was no room for such barriers.”
Is this the ‘populism’ you’re so concerned about?
While Vance is whining about European censorship, his boss in the US is throwing legitimate press organizations out of the White House briefing room and removing any mention of people of color or LGBT people from education and government documentation.
I didn’t mention the censorship because he is wrong about that
I also don’t agree with his quote about “no need for barriers”. I wasn’t aware he had said that.
He is referring to the poor handling of migration in Europe, which is true. And the general ignoring of popular outrage at how migration is managed.
That he is a fascist dickhead is indicative of the problem. Many many people who are not racist think migration is handled terribly in Europe and the problem is moderate politicians are hopelessly slow to engage with this and as a result the only people talking about it are fascist nutbags…
For Vance, this is just “otherism”. It’s an old trick — your problems are not something you actually need to take responsibility for — it’s all the fault of the “others” in your country. While migration may be a hot mess, the republicans play the card of “all crime is due to these others”. Pay no attention to the grifters elected in the US currently stealing all your money and data.
Indeed. Which makes it an even bigger problem that there are hardly enough moderate politicians saying “here’s what we hear you saying about migration and he’s what we will actually do to rectify that”
It’s a good point you make.
Migration being a model for creating both a scapegoat and a lowest of the low wage slavery class is a capitalist and fascist strategy. Vance acts as a critic of it, but right wingers, populists, are never onboard with enabling new residents to have better chances, education, work etc.
I can try:
The least useful, biggest idiot.
“blistering attack” is one way to say it, I’d say bigoted rambling is better way to describe it
Hey, at least they didn’t use “slammed” again.
This timeline starts to feel more and more like the fourth season of Lexx.
I completely forgot about that show. What a trip
suppressing free speech
Shutting out far-right racists and literal foreign agitators
mishandling migration
Racism
and ignoring populist concerns
More racism
Feels like the New Axis is starting to take tangible shape.
mishandling migration
Racism
Are you calling it racism because Vance said it, or would you claim that anyone who thinks migration in Europe has been mishandled is racist?
Perhaps some genuine criticism could be levied at the specifics of their immigration policy, but this is JD Vance, that’s not what he’s here for.
When he talks about “shared values” and “what you are fighting for” he’s talking about white Christian dominance in Europe and defending it with the sword. The far right has long seen Europe as a failure of progressive decadence and moral weakness and this speech was a blatant expression of that.
That is why the far right rejects European countries and cozies up to Russia, because the American conservative and the Russian nationalist have quite a lot of “shared values.”
Vance racist? He loves his wife despite her being Indian!
Thanks for clarifying, that is reasonable
I now know I’m truly not on reddit.
This is the exception. Usually it’s even worse than reddit, especially when ml joins the thread.
America is a big dumb golem used to do the violent bidding of whoever is able to control it - mainly Israel and Russia.
A mere 1B donation get you control of a 800B a year military. Talk about ROI!
putin’s bitch. so what?
the french did some great stuff with just a metal blade
And a bit of timber.
“The mice in fact are tyrannical oppressors for not opening the door to listen to what the fox has to say!” - JD Vance
Nope, mister G.O.Pudge, we do not have to include Nazis.
What does the fox say?
Dear Goober-Veep,
The threat from within is the Nazis, not the people who refuse to listen to the Nazis. They’ve been handling Nazis longer than you’ve been alive. Shut your fucking pizza pie hole.
“Vance leaves the US and thinks the rest of the world thinks of highly of him as his brain-dead countrymen do.”
He’s such a fucking buffoon.
He’s just reading what his Russian speech writer told him to.
Putin is getting a brilliant return on his investment.
Russia: Great intelligence services, shit army, no navy
Well got to min max and humans historical max out the Intel Stat versus other animals so it’s traditionally move. Plus you know, massive embezzlement opportunities.
If they could stop drinking for a couple decades I think they could do some awesome stuff. When the Soviets first took power they were prohibitionists, and that generation of Russians went on to beat the Nazis and launch Sputnik, despite Stalin.
Russia feels like the kid in school who you know is abused but is an asshole because of being abused. The Golden Horde was awful, to be sure, but we all need to let the healing happen.
Reminds me of family guy Ireland before whisky.
https://youtu.be/7-yQ4s6IBec?ZGzGcnBg86TWheeA
If they ever do, maybe They can something like in Atomic Heart. Good communist technology for all people to enjoy right now I’m questioning if murica can not be a cyberpunk dystopia. Which would also fall in like with Atomic Heart…
Also makes me think of a guy I know who I went to high school with, just incredibly smart. Ended up getting to the National Science Fair and got an honorable mention and also a bunch of newspaper attention. Fifteen years later, he was in prison for getting caught with a backpack full of meth cooking equipment.
I can’t remember the last time I saw him sober. Even after he got out of prison, I don’t know if he was still doing meth, but I only ever saw him in bars drunk off his ass after that.
He’s still a super nice guy, but his brain is basically scrambled eggs.
Dig deeper. This is Peter Thiel and Curtis Yarvin. Pootin is an accidental beneficiary.
https://newrepublic.com/article/183971/jd-vance-weird-terrifying-techno-authoritarian-ideas
Alienating whatever remaining trade partners you had outside of the two local ones, which your friends in the administration tariffed and threatened to annex, is going to go tremendously. Sure are putting America First… in line to find out what happens when no other country is willing to trade their resources with us or buy our goods.
Unless AfD gains power. Which is one of the reasons they want AfD to gain power. Part of the new Axis is part of the old Axis.
Not sure if European couches are into the whole eyeliner thing.
Yeah wtf is up with that??
