Rage 2022 in Cleveland.
Which one of the 2 buildings was this in?
RoMoFiHo
Nazi lives matter a little. You can tally them up to keep score.
That still only counts as one!
That’s why you take the ears to help count.
300 nazi scalps
A more accurate way to document. People usually have 2 ears, so I can see some people claiming twice the kills.
Reply to when someone luigis musk
Save a life, punch a nazi
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Fuck Nazis
Mary Morello deserves some love as well. Tom has a show on sirius xm. I was introduced to Zeal & Ardor bc of them.
Every life matters, and the reason we cannot make progress is because people who think they are ‘good’ are shunning and actively casting away people with less than desirable traits.
Nazis suck, racists suck, bigots suck, but they weren’t born that way. Their lived experience led them to the place they are in. How do you get them out? Practice what you are preaching: compassion.
Edit: this comment here explains my point better than my own https://ponder.cat/comment/1872062
Every life matters
You started from a faulty assumption. Nazi lives don’t matter.
Did Abimael Guzman’s life matter?
I have to look him up on Wikipedia, so he doesn’t really matter to me. He’s not a Nazi though, so maybe?
Sorry it’s just the way it is with Nazis. The only good one is a dead one. Just accept it.
Guzman has the blood of Peruvian peasants on his hands.
Ok but we’re talking about Nazis, and the principle stands.
Have compassion for Trump guys. He’s having a rough go of it lately.
Nowhere in my comment was Trump mentioned. I don’t like him either. The concept of hurt people hurt people still applies though
No, you’re missing an entire level here. Racists suck, bigots suck but Nazis? Nazis round up people and gas them to death and then stack the bodies in the dirt like cord wood. It’s a different level.
Hahahaha! No! Not with neo-nazis. Look with racists and bigots I’ll agree, try compassion first. I’ve done that and for most racists and bigots I’ve confronted it has worked. I didn’t change them to be a champion of minorities but usually I can convince someone to behave nicer. Neo-nazis on the other hand are not just regular racists and bigots who say terrible things but don’t actually do anything. Neo-nazis are the extreme and if they’re an adult regardless of their life experience they know what they’re saying is wrong. So no, I have no compassion and will never have compassion for an adult who is a neo-nazi. Period.
I’m glad to see that the strategy of compassion has worked for you in some cases. It’s a nuanced topic, but I firmly believe that if we want to be progressive & inclusive we need to adopt a mindset of ‘no man left behind’.
Again, it’s nuanced and it takes a lot of effort. Perhaps I am oversimplifying things too much, on the other hand, I think that we will not be better off by casting out anyone.
You have a big heart, and that’s a good thing. I could not disagree with you more. ‘No man left behind’ is a noble code to live to but I think that following it to an absolute sense defeats it’s purpose. ‘No man left behind’ to me means anybody on my team is never alone. The key is they have to be on my team and in this case everyone who isn’t a nazi is on my team. Neo-nazis have made real threats against people who I’m on the same team with and I would be leaving them behind if I didn’t oppose neo-nazis. If it comes to it, yeah Nazi lives don’t matter.
I’m not saying hunt them down and kill them. I’m saying take the ones who have actually done terrible things, put them in prison. Tell them to either grow up and change, or stay behind bars until they’re so insignificant that there’s no need to hold them anymore or until they die naturally. Holding neo-nazis accountable shouldn’t be controversial. If that requires taking their life I won’t shed any tears, but that is absolutely a last resort.
Thanks for your insight. I should have made clearer in my original comment that me saying that all lives matter does not equate to ‘Neo-nazi’s should walk free’. If the life of you or a person you care about is in immediate danger, then obviously that threat needs to be dealt with accordingly. We actually agree on pretty much everything.
I think for me the difference for now is in the recognition that while we as a civilization seem to be heading towards big trouble, most of us privileged enough to sit and type comments on an online discussion forum are not in actual immediate physical danger. It is therefore useless to me to think about crossing the line of taking lives, either for me or by me.
All I wish for is that when it is all said and done, we can all focus on improving lives, instead of ruining them. There is a lot of work that needs to be done before that though…
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Go back to /pol/, Nazi.
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hahaha, slurs. so funny and so original 🙄
Hey look over here everyone!!! I found one!
Drove all the way to NYC to see them with Run the Jewels after the pandemic. 100% worth it, one of the best shows I’ve ever been to.
Tim Commorford is weird to watch though. He kinda hops awkwardly from foot to foot.
We cannot accurately judge your dedication until you tell us from where you drove to NYC. New Jersey and Anchorage have very different weights here.
Honolulu
I saw them in Cleveland on that tour. Zach had hurt his foot so he sat on the monitor speaker the whole time, but the rest of the guys made up for it.
I paid a LOT of money to get good tickets, and it was 10000% worth it. I’d never seen rage live and figured I might not get to again, so spend the money. Also I’m an rtj fan.
Yeah, I think the Madison Square Garden show was one of the last ones they did, Zach was hobbled up good for it.
Super worth it though, I was in the same boat. Show had been rescheduled 3 times but we committed lol
I was at the Chicago show where he hurt himself going pretty hard.
Actually got it on video too
After he sat down for the rest of the set he sounded amazing. Great show.
Whoa that’s crazy you caught it.
Props to him for not breaking his flow, a true professional.
But also, Zach you’re not a spring chicken anymore, gotta dial it back some!
I wish they hadn’t canceled the show here in Seattle. Zack broke his arm and since they are old, he wanted to take time to let it heal. I waited three years from the initial scheduled show for it to be canceled.
It’s so disappointing to hear Killer Mike spit revolutionary lyrics like in ‘close your eyes’ only to find out IRL he’s into lame shit like black capitalism.
only to find out IRL he’s into lame shit like black capitalism.
Does it mean something other than what is here, or did I miss something offensive in skimming through the entry?
This isn’t one of those lame “now they are the machine” posts is it?
Yeah. The music still slaps though.
RATM’s bassist is into some weird fringe right-libertarian stuff too if I recall
Nobody’s perfect 🤷♂️
or they changed. 30 years is a long time.
their debut was released
- 3 years after the fall of Berlin wall
- a year after the dissolution of USSR
- 9 years before the September 11 attacks
- 15 years before iPhone
- 24 years before the election of a reality tv entertainer/real estate conman as POTUS
- China wasn’t a superpower back then
- EU didn’t exist in its current form
- Apartheid was still an actuality
- internet wasn’t omnipresent
How was China not a superpower then?
They were easily a superpower since before they were backing Vietnam and Korea in our shitty wars with them.
China’s GDP was lower than Canada’s. Economic strength is not the only factor of a superpower, but it’s significant. It’s hard to project power effectively without sufficient wealth to fund those efforts.
Fair enough. How many resources did the US waste in Vietnam and Korea fighting someone who was not a so called superpower?
Quite a lot. The US did the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan too. Who cares about who the enemy is or how many people die if they military industrial complex is making bank?
A country doesn’t need to be a superpower to project some power, but very few rise to the level of global hegemony. I think China is probably in the superpower tier today. The belt and road initiative is classic economic hegemony shit.
In 1944, during World War II, the term was first applied to the British Empire, the Soviet Union, and the United States. During the Cold War, the British Empire dissolved, leaving the United States and the Soviet Union to dominate world affairs. At the end of the Cold War and the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, the United States became the world’s sole superpower, a position sometimes referred to as that of a “hyperpower”. Since the late 2010s and into the 2020s, China has increasingly been described as an emerging superpower or even an established one, as China represents the “biggest geopolitical test of the 21st century” to the United States, as it is “the only country with enough power to jeopardize the current global order”.
Apartheid was still an actuality
So you’re saying nothing’s changed?
Nothing’s changed.
South African Blacks 40 years ago had it no worse than they do today.
anybody from South Africa to reply to this?
or is this about the apartheid in Israel/Palestine?
Killer “pro-cop” Mike?
CLIP YOUR STRINGS YOU FUCKING PHILISTINE
That’s Tom Morello, he can have 5 feet of string hanging off the end for all I care
Careful! This type of wording earned me my final ban from Reddit!
according to your username, we have found an alt account of trump
As suggested listening following RATM, may I suggest American Idiot by Green Day. You may find similar themes in that album.
Any other suggestions on how we can fight fascism by giving money to record companies?
Who said you have to buy anything? Are you new to the internet?
The band you are looking for is Fugazi. Totally pure in their resistance to destructive capitalism.
This is the way.
So what have they done besides sing a few songs so that people can think that they’re making a difference by listening to their iPods?
And no, I’m not going to listen to them. I’m boycotting American products wherever I can.
I have personally seen the guitarist knock a racist out with his guitar. So that’s something.
Not to mention the art they created certainly did more good than the average keyboard warrior trying to call music meaningless.
Arm the homeless
30 years later and more relevant than ever… That’s not a good thing. Continue to rage.
Man, screw RATM. They’ve sold out. They did a bunch of anti-Biden crap because of the Palestine shit. Look what that got them.
They also arguably lost Florida for Al Gore which caused him to lose the election.
More like Rage For The Machine.
They are likely against both parties.
Dumb take.
What do you mean by Palestine shit? There is a genocide happening there right now, fuck Israel.
Honestly. The Israeli government took it farther than what happened to them. And they call it a genocide. Because they are projecting their insecurity they have for performing their own genocide on the GAZA People.
Did you mean to put those words in that order?
Wait… Tom Morello is waging genocide on the “GAZA People”?
…what??
It might help your comment if you replaced some theys and thems with the actual people you’re referring to. It’s very unclear whether you’re talking about Hamas, the Israel government, the Palestine people living in the Gaza strip, the Israeli people, etc. There’s a lot of different groups involved in this conflict, all with their own history and motives. It’s important to be clear about who is doing what.
I see how that looked off now. But yes. The Israeli government has gone far too far in their destruction of Gaza and its people.
And now Trump is going to turn Gaza into a resort lol
And you know what he’d do to get that done…
