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      Wow, that kind of self-agency is sooo entitled! Just be a good little wage slave until the boomers die off. They’ve had a comfy life. Can’t let them lose any of that comfort now! /s

  • @800XL@lemmy.world
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    Re-title this article as “Lazy, Tired Workers Are Mad At Youthful Workers Like Lazy, Tired Workers 60 Years Ago Were Mad At Them 60 Years Ago”.

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      Another “Don’t mind the billionaires getting richer and fight each other for the scraps instead” article.

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    ‘Most WHITE boomers don’t know what it’s like to work 40+ hours a week and still not be able to afford a house’ FTFY

    People have been working 40+ hours a week for CENTURIES with no hope of affording a house. The housing that non-whites have been able to secure is always tenuous, subject to the racist whims of the ruling class. They could be rezoned, subject to a new law that strips them of their property, or even what happens in Palestine the racist ruling class just bulldozes your house with no compensation.

    This is definitely not about Gen Z vs Boomers, but the ruling class wants you to think it is so we don’t unite and make heads roll.

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      The Super Bowl just finished. Did you see any of the two teams of mostly black men protest Donald Trump?

      No, you fucking didn’t. The problem isn’t white people, it’s rich people - all of them.

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          And?

          They chose the money. They had a very clear choice and they chose the money.

          Race is not the problem.

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        Of course I didn’t watch the super bowl and that’s about the single dumbest metric I’ve ever heard of. American football players didn’t protest Trump during the big game so that means racism doesn’t exist? In America?? You are so lost.

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          What a genuinely stupid take, like you didn’t even read - my advice is that you don’t weigh in on the problems of other countries. Stay in your lane.

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            Did you see any of the two teams of mostly black men protest Donald Trump?

            No, you fucking didn’t. The problem isn’t white people

            That’s exactly what you said.

            Racism is not a problem of “other countries”, sounds like you just want to protect white supremacy. Tbh I wouldn’t be surprised if you genuinely believe that there is no difference in housing opportunity between races in the boomer generation.

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        So how come the upper class in America is mostly white while the lower class is mostly black brown and indigenous? Is it because whites are… supreme?

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        Oh fuck off. If it was truly about class why is in every single metric from wages, employment, health, education, and housing black and brown ppl currently are worse off then their white counter parts regardless of income and location. If it was only about class wouldnt it be the same across the board? And it’s ALWAYS been that way.

        It’s almost like white ppl are pissed they’re being denied the dreams they actively keep everyone else from receiving and the rest of us are just suppose to forget about the very real problems specific to our races just to keep white ppl comfortable.

        • @skaarl@feddit.nl
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          why is in every single metric from wages, employment, health, education, and housing black and brown ppl currently are worse off then their white counter parts regardless of income and location.

          Because whites are superior, remember? lmao

          It’s good that whites go mask off with this “DON’T TALK ABOUT RACISM THERE IS NO RACISM IT’S SOMETHING ELSE COMPLETELY!!!1!” because that cognitive dissonance between what they see and what they believe should be a wakeup call, although segregation keeps them safe from seeing black social reality for the most part.

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          So why did the Super Bowl happen?

          The teams that played at the Super Bowl are both predominantly black. Please point to either of the teams that stopped playing to protest the “white ruling class”.

          Oh, that’s right, it didn’t happen. Crazy, what’s your perspective on that? No True Scotsman? Got a strawman you wanna piece together? Say more stuff about how white people are the problem, that should get you some upvotes.

          Edit: the downvote button is not an ‘I disagree with this’ button.

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              So why did the Super Bowl happen?

              This is the real brain buster here 🤔🤔🤔 why **did ** it happen?

  • @sumguyonline@lemmy.world
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    I personally am capable of working any boomer in their prime into exhausting while I’m still pushing for hours more. The whole “millenials are lazy” is corporate bullshit designed to make parents think their kids are just lazy and not being ripped off by the system they demand exists.

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      Pull a 16hr shift working network engineering during an outage, then come back to work in 8hrs for another full day on a Monday, then when the boomer stops having their mental break down they can apologize in person to every millennial they talked shit about.

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            I’ve got three meetings and an unscheduled emergency requiring 90% of the IT staff to sit on a conference call that says you’ll be staying late Friday, too.

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              Ok that’s fine I just won’t be coming in at all on monday then.

              And if it’s going to keep happening like this we’re gonna have a conversation about renegotiating my employment, because this is not what we agreed to.

              • @GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                We’ve got one that knows their worth! Stuff 'em in the oubliette before they infect the others! Ya want unions? This is how ya get unions!!1!¡!

              • @InputZero@lemmy.world
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                When you signed your employment contract one of the stipulations was that the company maintains the right to change the conditions of the contact at anytime without your knowledge or consent. So your choices are, arrive on time to work Monday morning or the company will presume that you have abandoned your position without notice and that you have forfeitted any potential severance agreement and any expectation of future a reference. We understand that we’re on crunch time but we are doing everything in our power to scale our workforce to our dynamic needs and we appreciate your continued patience and professionalism.

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    its not the 40 hour work week thats the issue.

    Its how much productivity is demanded in that 40 hours. and the compensation for it.

    and theres a LOT more productivity demanded from workers today, than there was in 1950.

    Because all the technologies that were supposed to make life easier… didnt. They just increased the amount of things we can/have to do in a day.

    People working today are doing more labor, producing more effort per hour than 70 years ago, but are being paid less in purchasing power for it… and if thats not a recipe for violent upheaval i dont know what is.

    • @FilthyHookerSpit@lemmy.world
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      The amount of time that corporations feel entitled to is ridiculous. I’ve quit my last two positions because these billion dollar companies feel that they own you for every second when you’re on the clock. It feels exploitative and gives you the sense that you’re just some beast of burden. We’re humans, not machines to push production to the maximum. But all the higher-ups see is bottom line pushers.

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        What, are not grateful that they trickle down a tiny bit of money from what is left after the shareholders and CEO take their hard earned cut? Just because you did all the work and earned all of the money? How gready can you be? I mean they graciously let you be sick 6 days a year, and let you frolic for another 10. Don’t you realize how much effort they had to put in worrying that the small smidgen of their enormous wealth that they had inherited and invested in your company was not earning them greater wealth at a rate that was grossly unhealthy for the company or the economy?

      • @CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world
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        It’s fun when it is extended beyond work hours, too. Email/IMs/texts/Teams/Slack/whateverelsethefuck from people round the clock and on the weekend. Calls when on vacation. People asking if you could cancel your vacation just before going on one planned months in advance because of some contrived milestone. Stuff like that.

        Oh, and I’m Gen-X - this kind of thing has been around since I started work, but it does seem like it’s increasing as a “norm”. People doing performative shit in public, and now others assuming this is expected - like how many commits you are doing FOR FREE on Github, or fake internet points on Stack Overflow, as an example. I honestly feel sorry for people that fall for this, thinking it’s a way to break into a job, or that they must do this to maintain one.

        Though I do think that Covid did a modicum of a reset on some of the grindset nonsense. Of course, I think all the really big tech companies colluded with one another to then start doing massive layoffs to make sure that everyone still knew who was calling the tune (even if it made no sense to cut staff). Lots of managers have a real xitter envy - they’d love to cut their company to the very bone and run the place like absolute tyrants like they see fElon doing. Thing is, it is obviously a stupid way to run a business - xitter is just a Nazi bar with questionable business fundamentals at this point. But it doesn’t stop useless copycat monkeys in the C-suite from thinking he’s great.

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        My last job at a call center was staffed in such a way that they were basically on the phone continuously for their entire shift with no downtime between calls. This meant anytime something happened to increase call volume all the metrics the bean counters cared about went to shit. Their solution was to tighten the screws and demand lower handle times and better adherence from their already burnt out staff and cracking down on anyone who wasn’t logged in when they were supposed to be. Meanwhile the supervisors were leaving to go run errands and shit whenever they felt like it. Turnover quickly got ridiculous.

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      Back before the clock was invented, agricultural workers had about 160 days of the year to themselves. (Admittedly, to do intensive chores.) Also, employers gave free breakfast and lunch, with a bit of beer. Workers might also do as low as 4 hours of work IIRC, depending on the day and season. Below is a video on the subject. Civilis also covers topics, such as the fall of the Roman republic…which feels awfully relevant, nowadays.

      Historia Civilis - Work.

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        I love Historia Civilis. I wish he’d also discuss the Roman leaders that came after Gaius Julius Augustus. A lot of historians and books stop there after the fall of the Republic, but from what I understand a lot happened within the Roman empire since then. It would be nice to learn more about it all.

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          One of my absolute favorite subjects! Check out “The History of Rome” podcast by Mike Duncan (dont let the audio quality of the first few episodes dissuade you, it gets suddenly better very quickly). Mr Duncan goes deep on details and provides sources if you want to dig deeper. It’s a great listen that covers the mythical period all the way to the fall of the eastern empire.

      • @SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        Or maybe we get rid of the “wages = living” bit.

        We could all negotiate for the full value of our labor a lot better if we didn’t have a noose around our neck forcing us to work.

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          I have nothing in principle against people earning a living through dignified, honest, collective labor, with the basics being guaranteed such as housing, healthcare, education, nutrition, energy and a few others.

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    And yet Gen Z turned out for… Trump? He’ll surely help the economy and enable a new era of magically plentiful high paying, stable jobs.

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      Less than half of us voted. As a member of Gen Z who DID vote for Khamala its because the only good thing she does is not be Trump.

      A good portion of our generations more liberal/left-leaning side just got done having the shit beaten out of them by cops before getting kicked out of school for protesting against the genocide in Gaza.

      What makes you think any of these people want to turn around and vote for a law-and-order ex-DA who’s ignoring some of the worst atrocities of our times?

      Everyone in this generation who isn’t jaded and disillusioned is a fascist or fascist sympathiser (same difference :p). No one has the energy to care let alone vote.

      They probably won’t until establishment democrats keel over, and unfortunately it looks like medical science kept them alive and puttering until it was too late.

      source

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        Less than half of us voted. As a member of Gen Z who DID vote for Khamala its because the only good thing she does is not be Trump.

        WHICH IS WHY YOU VOTE FOR SOMEONE.

        God I hate that Americans have decided that you vote for the person you like rather than vote to stop the worst person.

        You’re never going to get a pony, so do what you can or they’ll make you be a pony. And not in a happy way. In a “work in the mines all your life” way.

        Oh well, too late now.

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          WHICH IS WHY YOU VOTE FOR SOMEONE.

          They said to the person who voted blue. Im not telling you don’t vote, I’m telling you why most people my age who didn’t want Trump didn’t vote. I don’t know what more you want from me.

          You’re never going to get a pony, so do what you can or they’ll make you be a pony. And not in a happy way. In a “work in the mines all your life” way.

          Ending the horrors of late stage capitalism isn’t asking for a pony its the bare minimum to ensure the continued survival of our species.

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            who didn’t want Trump didn’t vote

            So you don’t want Trump, so your decision is to not vote?

            Is your generation brain dead or something?

          • Flying Squid
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            I’m telling you why most people my age who didn’t want Trump didn’t vote.

            And I explained why they were wrong. I’m not sure why you think this is all about you.

            Ending the horrors of late stage capitalism isn’t asking for a pony

            I have not heard a single person anywhere claim that’s why they didn’t vote. Not one. The biggest claim I heard is that neither candidate appealed or excited them. I heard that many times. Nothing about capitalism, just about the laziness of thinking you have to like a candidate to do the bare minimum of voting.

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          God I hate that Americans have decided that you vote for the person you like rather than vote to stop the worst person.

          Turns out game theory [as described in this election] doesn’t describe how people (on aggregate) actually behave. It does describe how some people think people should behave (I may sometimes agree), but not how they actually do.

          If I know you rationally follow game theory [as described], I’m going to offer you far less than anyone else because I know game theorists [as…] take any win, no matter how small. Ultimatum game? I offer everyone a 50-50 split, except game theorists, to whom I offer a penny. They’ll take it too.

          Dems didn’t appeal to how people actually act, and so you all lost. Their supporters refused to acknowledge the reality of how groups behave, and so you all lost. [“you” means all of America - added for the misunderstanding]

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            so you all lost

            Are you claiming I am a Democrat? Can you present some evidence to that effect?

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              Are you claiming I am a millionaire? Can you present some evidence to that effect? If you’re gonna tilt at windmills this conversation is pointless.

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                So no, you can’t. You just accuse people of things whether they’re true or not. I’m not sure why you think it’s okay to lie.

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                  I don’t know what to tell you, I’m not Burt Reynolds. You just accuse people of things whether they’re true or not. I’m not sure why you think it’s okay to lie.

                  I didn’t accuse you of being a democrat, you just inferred that I did and started calling me a liar. Would you like to get back on topic?

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        Less than half of us voted.

        Ah yes. The “I didn’t vote” excuse so I can absolve myself from why this country is turning to shit.

        If you didn’t vote YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.

        If you didn’t vote you effectively voted for Trump. If you didn’t vote you already accept Trump as the result. If you didn’t vote you’re a fucking moron who deserves all the pain this admin brings.

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        I think she got so many votes because she wasn’t Trump. And thats it. She was so frustrating as a candidate who was “super Law and Order DA from liberal land, California. She’s the best of both worlds!”

        Christ she was so bad at being charismatic. I liked her when she made fun of Trump so hard he refused to ever debate her again. But then she tried to play both sides and toured with Liz Cheney. It’s like, the entire message of her failed campaign will look at all the answers but the right one: she wasn’t an active evil fascist. She just supported fascism her whole life and learned to make concessions to sound more progressive. Gen Z will learn to hate the DNC.

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        Boomers protested Vietnam. Millennials Iraq.

        Kids want change. Sometimes that is for a good cause and sometimes it is about draining the swamp and hurting others.

        But if you needed to be convinced that it was worth voting against a rapist fascist who hid nothing? You were never an ally.

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          Its not that they need convincing to vote against it, its that they needed to be convinced their vote would even fucking do anything.

          Most of us are convinced that we’re dying in the climate wars before we hit middle age regardless of who we vote for, the rest where the dipshits that went out and voted for Trump.

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              Would it make my life and the lives of millions of other Americans easier by not having a target painted on our backs for probably as long as our country stands? (We’ll probably never see another election again IMO) Yeah sure, that’s why I voted for Khamala.

              That being said she wasn’t going to do anything to meaningfully stop the horrors of late stage capitalism. Either way I’m probably going to die by middle age in the climate wars.

              Its just now that they’ll happen even sooner, and now I have to worry about being put in a camp because of my prescription to estrogen.

              Ones certainly worse, but neither actually seemingly give me the possibility of living a full and happy life. Even if I do make it to old age I’ll be living in a dying world, clinging to whatever habitable sliver of earth I’d have the privilege of finding.

              Honestly until we start being friendly and share cookies with the ghouls hiding behind the funds managed by Americas institutional investment firms which collectively own everything, I don’t think we’ll be solving anything.

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                Yeah sure, that’s why I voted for Khamala.

                I’m starting to disbelieve you since you’ve misspelled her name twice and it was on signs everywhere.

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                Its just now that they’ll happen even sooner, and now I have to worry about being put in a camp because of my prescription to estrogen.

                And that alone should have been reason enough for anyone who actually gave even the slightest of shits.

                Growing up is realizing you aren’t going to win. But you can lessen harm.

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                  Yeah except that for previous generations not “winning” wasn’t an inherent global existential threat.

                  Its hard to be motivated when you know either way you’re not getting the full life you where promised. Especially when the issue at hand is someone else’s problem. (From the perspective of my cis Gen Z counterparts.)

                  I’m not saying its the right way to operate, I’m saying its how lots of people do naturally. Its unfortunately human, and its taken advantage of by design.

                  Its easy to keep people preoccupied when they’re a weeks pay away from starvation.

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            Things don’t work that way. It is much easier to tear something down. This election was about the old neoliberals vs. populist MAGA. There was no one playing for the progressives or democratic socialism on that field.

            Now Trump and his ilk might fuck their little coup up and end up losing power in the midterms, but it’ll probably be back in the direction of rule of law neoliberal politics. If you want to see your voice being heard first you need someone that will listen. If you believe in human rights and basic equality Trump and MAGA aren’t it. Elon Musk will not be listening to you and doesn’t give a shit about regular folks. Those tech bros are happy that opiates are available to occupy the unemployed useless masses.

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            “We did nothing and we’re out of ideas” is not the good argument you seem to think it is.

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                Oh sorry, “I have ideas but did nothing about them” is not the good argument you seem to think it is.

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    I’ve gotta say i admire Zoomers a lot. Im a 1990 millenial and most of my generation simply put their heads down and pushed through and tried to emulate their boomers parents while not living their boomer parents reality, destroying themselves in the process. It seems that almost collectively your generation has said FUCK THIS SHIT and made moves to end it.

    Its really impressive.

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      Literally the poorest condition house would cost 100% of 8 years of take-home pay of my engineer salary where I live. That’s before accounting for loan interest on 20% down payment (I have 5%) which would push it up to 18 full years of my labor.

      A single-family house is simply not worth 15+ years of my life, and I’m actively looking into cheaper options.

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      I don’t know about that. I’m a 1990 millennial and the vast majority of ppl my age collectively said fuck giving the extra effort for no return. I remember reading in my 20s that millennials pretty much gave up on retirement and started traveling.

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      In 1990 my mom stayed home and raised us. My dad worked a measly construction job and we lived in a two story, 5 bedroom house (which they lost after the 2008 collapse, I took it over and lost in 2012).

      My mom was also able to borrow against that house over and over again for cars.

      Around 1996 my dad got his CDLs and drove a coal truck.

      We bought that house for 30k.

      My aunt bought a huge colonial house with 8 bedrooms for roughly 60k in 1979-80. She never worked. Her husband was a coal miner.

      When it burned down in 1996, she bought a beautiful brick home in a wonderful neighborhood for 100k. She sold that same house recently for 600k.

      The difference is absurd.

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        A “measly construction job” is a good paying one. A person working at a McDonald’s for 40 hours a week at that time would not be able to afford an apartment let alone a house. When your aunt bought her house interest rates were in the teens, today they are 7% and that’s a record high. My parents bought a house in 1976 for $28,000 dad worked full time at a city job plus always had a second job or side hustle. Our family would strip copper to make ends meet. Mom cooked every meal, eating out was a rare treat. Never once did we even order pizza, Mom make it with powder dough. We didn’t have cable. Got by on two junker cars sometimes one.

        Every generation has it’s challenges. This is the first to have a public circle jerk/pity party

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          Every generation has it’s challenges

          And the younger ones have an objective, mathematically proven worse version of the challenges than the earlier ones did

          Nobody claimed it was ever perfect, only that it’s worse now, which it is

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            Haha I love it when kids tell me what my life was like.

            Back to my original point. No, not everyone who worked 40 hours a week could afford a house.

            You can wrap yourself in self pity or you can be resourceful, your choice.

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              love it when kids tell me what my life was like

              Didn’t happen, I said what it was like now by comparison

              No, not everyone who worked 40 hours a week could afford a house.

              And no body ever claimed that

              You can wrap yourself in self pity or you can be resourceful, your choice

              Lol, you have no idea what you’re talking about

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              Mate, a smaller percentage of our generation has houses. Wrap ya head around that. No one’s arguing every other generation had a house, that would be idiotic.

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            A minimun wage construction job? Someone is lying to you. Dad was probably working the glory hole at kwik-e-mart. No bank is going to give a house loan to someone making minimum wage.

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              Well, they did.

              As a matter of fact they gave my parents multiple loans until it exceeded the value of the house so badly that we couldn’t keep up with it.

              They did this so many times for so many people in my neighborhood that the place is now nearly rubble because of it. Oh, and that kind of irresponsible lending led to the 2008 collapse.

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        100%

        My mom worked at Sizzlers in the early 90s when she and her husband, a no-degree “engineer” were able to buy a 4 bedroom house with a huge yard and 2 car garage in the DC suburbs (MD side), with two cars. A few years later, they upgraded to an even bigger house in an even nicer part of the county.

        Objectively poor people had houses that they owned, in places people wanted to live. None of that has been possible for at least a decade or more. Millennials are now in our 40s and have more education and experience than Boomers ever did, yet the ROI and QOL differentials are staggering.

        Don’t let Boomers gaslight you; they collectively played this game on the easiest mode.

  • Please stop falling for efforts to divide the working class.

    Amy such efforts should immediately be viewed as suspicious. The divide is not old vs young, or white vs black, or even rich vs poor. It is the capital class versus the labor class.

    Boomers grew up in a very tiny slice of global history where the working class actually got improvements in their material conditions, so it is hard for them to understand the struggles of people before or after… but they are being ground down by capitalism the same as the rest of us.

    Your comrades at work may not understand the importance of unions or collective action, but they are still your comrades. Your grandmother may not realize that all of her extra productivity went to make billionaires richer, but she is still your comrade.

    • @Coreidan@lemmy.world
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      or even rich vs poor. It is the capital class versus the labor class

      Just another fancy way of saying rich vs poor. The difference is the poors don’t realize they are in a war.

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        There are plenty of people that don’t consider themselves poor or who most people would not consider poor who are still in the labor class. If you produce value more than extract value from ownership then you are labor class.

        • @JcbAzPx@lemmy.world
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          Most poor people don’t consider themselves poor because it is considered a terrible thing to be poor.

        • @Coreidan@lemmy.world
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          There are plenty of people that don’t consider themselves poor

          That doesn’t make them right. That just makes them less poor than those that are dirt poor.

          If you’re not floating around on a yacht then you’re comparatively poor. They can afford things these so called rich people you talk about could never afford.

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            Just because theyre not “right” doesn’t mean this person doesn’t have a point; when you use the word poor, lots of people can’t or wont identify that way.

            I’m in agreement with you generally, and I have made the same argument as you before. But people wont get this, they wont hear your argument because theyre too busy feeling like youre ridiculous for calling them poor. The sheer magnitude of wealth disparity is not well understood by your average joe.

            The other commenter is offering more precise wording thats less likely to be understood wrong.

            If I want to teach you to cook, but we can’t move on from whether its called a “spatula” or a “flipper”, nobody is learning anything.

      • @scuczu@lemmy.world
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        isn’t it fucking weird? I’ve been so disassociated for weeks now, getting some things done but it’s very hard.

      • @WarMarshalEmu@lemm.ee
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        It is genuinely difficult not to hate them for it. But you need to keep telling yourself that they’re victims to propaganda from media and their upbringing. It’s hard to overcome that.

        • @GraniteM@lemmy.world
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          There’s a quote from a Heinlein book where he talks about how Communists can only exist in places where there are real, not imagined, ills that are not being addressed, and I feel like something similar applies for Trumpists. Their lives have gone wrong somehow, likely driven by forces beyond their control, and they’ve been promised easy answers by a vile con game. I don’t appreciate that they got hoodwinked, but I can understand how it happened.

    • @CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world
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      Thank you for saying this. One of my posts where I tried to express similar things got voted down to the extreme, lol.

      The moment right after WWII was a very unique period of time. Virtually every other country had their manufacturing decimated and we were about the only ones left. Labor unions were strong, taxation was not so regressive (top rate in the 90s) as now, etc.

      And the boomers were born into that environment. And they were huge in numbers, too. So they had outsized influence and were probably given more of a chance at the lower and middle class levels than many generations before or since (though new numbers show that maybe Gen Z and Millennials have surpassed everyone). Probably as a general rule. But also, during their youth, many of them agitated for making things better. So I just don’t understand why an entire generation (even though I lived in their shadow my entire life - believe me, Gen X are the OGs when it comes to resenting boomers - we resented a lot of them very much long before it became a mainstream media hit by pitting Gen Y against the boomers decades later) can be trashed like that, just en masse. It is rather absurd and is hardly a complete picture.

      They also had a lot of struggles and not all financial, either. If someone makes blanket statements about how all of boomers had it better than everyone since, well, that’s rather silly, since I bet if you look at the typical experience of a Black boomer as contrasted with a typical Black person of later generations it might be a completely inverted situation. Same for LGBTQ. Same for women. If you know any boomer women, ask them about something simple like getting a credit card. Or being allowed entry into college.

  • @Coolbeanschilly@lemmy.ca
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    Maybe the boomers need to stop working and die, so the better paying jobs and wealth can come to the younger generations.

    • @pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
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      I think you’re going to get your wish. They’re not paying for all kind of social funding (low income housing for the elderly, for example). Yay?

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      So: boomers have had the easy life, they’re wealthy and own nice houses, but also they still have to keep working even though they’ve reached retirement age, but that’s just because they want to keep you from getting their fantastic job that they still keep working at even though they have the easy life and plenty of money … 🤦

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    Well that should be easy to fix. Just have a world war with a general draft and all for about 5 years. Then another one soon after in an arbitrary place. That sort of thing really brings people together, and also kills many of them, all contributing to a healthy housing market!

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      don’t say that or somebody might take it serious

      for anyone reading this: war always does more harm than good, and it’s always the poor people (i ain’t no fortunate son) who bleed.

      class war, on the other hand …

  • @Wisas62@lemmy.world
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    Let’s talk about suburbs. These generations left the city because they couldn’t afford it. Now suddenly living 5 mins from work is expected but then the an entry level job can’t afford it and it’s a generational difference? Can you afford to buy a house within 45 mins to your work? Hell ya where I live but you don’t have immediate access to all city amenities.

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    I was talking to a boomer here in Canada. When I asked him why he stayed in the same company for 30 years he said, hey they kept giving me promotions and increasing my salary from the first year. As well as having a work pension plan. Just with a bachelor’s and no beginning experience.

    MFs be asking masters and years of experience from new grades.