Remember how the federal government treated the south when they tried to secede. And people still celebrate it, not without good reason. But they didn’t just go to war to stop it, they burned the south to the ground.
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But they didn’t just go to war to stop it, they burned the south to the ground.
Do that to CA and you’re shooting yourself in the foot as the US
Destroying your most important ports and where more than 50% of your agriculture nationwide comes from is not a good idea
Which is exactly why they would burn it to the ground. The federal government would never let California, let alone any state, secede peacfully. They can’t risk losing those resources and would destroy them before allowing them to be competition.
The South was an economic powerhouse prior to the civil war. Didn’t stop the government.
Was it really? I was under the impression that they mostly were agricultural, while the north had all the light and heavy industries… (sorry, I’m not american)
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This was RIGHT before the industrial revolution in America. The timing of industrialization going north because the south was utterly burned to the ground was a massive shock that is still felt today. They couldn’t switch to industrialization in time
A huge reason the south lost was because they were NOT an economic powerhouse…
Much like today.
CA is already burning due to mismanagement. So…
TIL wind=mismanagement
Question: what things were done in the 80’s to prep for wildfires? Do they do any of those things today?
So you don’t actually know what you’re talking about and yet you commented anyway?
I was alive in the 80s, I definitely know what I’m talking about. If you can’t answer the question though, then you obviously do not.
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Fuck off you empty headed dumb fucking sea lion sack of shit.
No.
Climate change = mismanagement on the part of pretty much the whole world. So technically correct.
Absolutely nobody can accuse the right of being smart
Well, there are two big differences.
The ethical one, the South wanted to secede to keep their slaves, and to clarify because the term slavery has been run ragged by propaganda, they wanted to keep their forced labour/death camps where they could kill, maim, rape, buy and sell people, also children, and have them do backbreaking, crippling work to enrich themselves.
On the other hand, California is contemplating this because the South, after losing their war, did a 200 year psyop to get a rapist and a bona-fide sieg heiling Nazi in power to force California to drop initiatives that would keep the Earth inhabitable and let their citizens live in peace.
The pragmatic one is that while the South was what it was, California is still an economic powerhouse accounting for 20% of the US economy. If they would secede, and bring a few like-minded states with them, it’s not the least bit implausible that the South would be doing the burning again.
All that said, the Russians and the Chinese are salivating at this idea I’m sure.
Yes, please. As a Californian who is already looking to move abroad, it would be a dream come true for my state to do it for me.
It will be the death of many reasonable people in red states though.
My heart goes out to the rational minority in the red states. My advice to them is to leave while they can, however they can. This very well could be a matter of life and death.
Your heart goes out to us, how sweet, I’ll think of your heart when me and my friends who cannot leave are rounded up and sent to camps.
Look, I’ve got no dog in this fight, but in my opinion, something you need to make peace with is that the people in blue states have to watch out for themselves too, before the rot spreads too far and they find the modern day Gestapo on their own streets, killing their own people.
And if/when they do split, try to understand them, and blame the fascists, not those trying to escape from fascism.
Either way, if your life is threatened by fascists, I hope you’ll survive and make it out. If you don’t, I hope you’ll put up a good fight, but that’s up to you to decide, not me. I wish the best to all of you and hope that here in Europe we won’t decide to follow through on the whole right-wing swing of the pendulum.
“Cannot leave?” My brother in Christ. If I honestly thought that my life was genuinely in danger of a violent end, should I remain where I am, I’d leave without hesitation. It costs nothing to get in your car and drive until you are across state lines RIGHT NOW, this very instant. I wouldn’t worry about selling my house, closing escrow (or trying to communicate or formalize anything with a landlord, were I renting), “getting my affairs in order”, or whatever else. I would first load up my car and then GTFO right goddamn NOW while I still draw breath. Yes, it’d be a hassle having to deal with those loose ends later, but my first priority would be my own self-preservation.
No, I think I’ll stay and try to protect whoever I can. I’ll probably get killed, I’ve more or less made peace with that.
That’s at least a stance I can admire. Keep yourself and your loved ones safe. And if it comes to it, you show those fascists what hell looks like when it wears the skin of a gentle human.
Except, you know, the cost of the car and the gas and the food and shelter when you do get across state lines. All famously very cheap and affordable things.
Are you really waiting to be spoon fed? I never said everything would be gravy. I said if I was honestly certain I was going to die by staying in my state, I’d fucking leave NOW without waiting for jack shit. Everyone is going to have their own support and ways of surviving, and that’s something to think about only AFTER I’m in a safe location. This is still going to be difficult, and you’ll still have to actually think for yourself. But at least you won’t be actively hunted anymore.
Spoon-fed? What? States are HUGE. If you don’t ALREADY have a car you own, you gotta have fare for a bus or a train. If you don’t? You have to walk, and that’s not a realistic option for most people, particularly those who live in conservative areas spanning multiple states. God forbid you live in southern Texas. Cars are expensive, and fare for transportation out of state is also pretty damn expensive, especially since these dangerous areas tend to neglect their affordable public transport options. It’s great that YOU have the money upfront to even start getting out. Not everyone has the privilege.
To be clear, I’m not arguing against getting out. I’m taking umbridge with your statement that “It costs nothing to get in your car…” etc. GETTING a car is a cost.
Easier said then done. I cannot afford that.
Please don’t leave California. If you do a lot more states will follow and all the vulnerable minorities that were trapped in red states will be trapped in fascist countries.
Plus, you know Trump will invade y’all right? All that US military stuff lying around doesn’t suddenly become property of the state. Half the Navy trains in San Diego, you think those bootlickers aren’t going to blockade your ports and cut your imports off entirely?
If anything maybe break up into smaller states?
They really don’t give a shit. So much for Solidarity, fucking liberal bastards.
I hate violence, but at this point, I see no other option. Civil war is not unthinkable and some assholes want to force it upon us.
That may be, but no sense helping them do it.
gsybdkzbayvfisg yes!! balkanize hahahahahah this would be hilarious please
Something that might work out better and would be a lot easier to do (thought still not very easy), would be to split into 3 (or 4?) states.
California has almost 12% of the US population concentrated in that one state! By far most of the states contain about 2% or less of the US population each.
By splitting, the population would be better represented in the Senate with 6 senators between them instead of only 2, and there might be a net gain in some other benefits that are given on the state level.
edit: I see that someone had already brought this idea up, but IMO it’s a good idea that they should seriously consider!
Careful. Texas has some long forgotten provision where they could easily do the same thing, into 5 states. and they’d all be red.
If they split California into 3, the northern state might be red (or swing) but the other two would definitely be blue because of SR and LA. Look at a map of election results by county.
With Texas, at least a couple of them would have to be blue because some would contain the blue urban areas. Same with FL, at least one new state would be blue. if CA, TX, and FL all did it. If they divided into 5 states it might even out. Of course there would have to be negotiations to get enough people and the parties to agree to the boundaries, which should prevent too much of an advantage to one side or the other, especially if people don’t want their cities be split between two states.
But regardless of the results for the Senate, the point is that the people in most populous states of this country are not getting their fair representation in our federal government and that needs to change.
Then of course as long as we’re altering our makeup of states, we have to give the citizens DC representation and make that a state. And Puerto Rico should be able to decide if it wants to become a state as well.
German here, so excuse my ignorance, but wouldn’t it be easier to change the voting system to one that counts each vote as equal on a state level and get rid of the voting people stuff? Last time I checked you’re no longer riding horses to Washington…
but wouldn’t it be easier to change the voting system to one that counts each vote as equal on a state level and get rid of the voting people stuff
Country wide that requires a constitutional amendment, which requires 2/3 of all states to agree. It’s been tried, the cuckservatives rage and bitch like the children they are because it would mean they’d never win again, so it never goes through
There’s an effort to make it so that individual states will ignore the EC called NAPOVOINTERCO that would basically force the US to use a popular vote system, but it’s not got enough individual states signed on yet to activate itself
When it comes to the US, this is a simple rule to follow: federal change is nearly impossible because of the babies in the GOP, while states are easier but can change a whole lot less overall
The State of Jefferson would have started this process, but WWII got in the way. Except that was all predicated on being super racist.
I think if you get a legit Cal3 proposal, you might end up with a Cal4 where they pull from the six-state version where “Silicon Valley” is its own state shows up so that there can be some technopolis with custom laws and insane cost of living. Essentially, turning SFO into another Manhattan.
I would never move back to CA as it is, but if there was a breakup, I might actually go for it.
The racists all wanted to leave the US because it wasn’t racist enough. However now the racists are in power and they don’t want to leave anymore.
The right wing has wanted this for years because California is very conservative outside of its cities. Splitting the state up would guarantee a Republican Senate.
Depends on what you do with the cities. The Central Valley doesn’t want to be its own state.
please call it the “New California Republic”
I would prefer using an indigenous name for the region. But since california had so many tribes, perhaps that is impossible.
So many tribes in the New California Republic!
Makes sense considering every day we get closer to nuclear warfare (and Trump plans on invading Canada)
As long as it doesn’t end up like Shady Sands.
Putin wins
This is stupid and a pointless gesture. Do something more productive with your time.
Lots of peoole didn’t read the article
According to the text of the measure, the state would be required to create a 20-member state commission to study California’s viability as an independent country in 2027 and to publish a report the following year.
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If the ballot question is approved, the proposal would declare a “vote of no confidence in the United States of America”, but would not change the state’s government or its relationship with the U.S. The measure would also call for the removal of the U.S. flag from all state buildings.Balkanization is beginning
Well it’s a start I guess.
Yeah, I can’t think of a reason anyone would vote no on this. I’m excited to read their report.
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Yeah you are, go back to your red state and fight your own fight. Leave the solid blue strip out of it.
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Haha. Yeah that’s gonna be fun to watch.
So, what’s your thoughts on the state of jefferson?
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Do they join Mexico?
Shit my CA driver’s license expired. Does that mean I’ll need to apply for citizenship or will old residents be good?
Join the EU and NATO, let’s see how it plays out!
Y’know, as unrealistic as this (probably? I’m not really sure of anything, anymore) is, seeing this pop up in my scrolling gave me a bit of relief. I’ve been so terrified and angry and anxious and unsure of the (immediate) future that it’s practically paralyzed me. Knowing that this pipedream is there helped me breathe for a moment. I’ll take what relief I can get right now.
Ah yes, because Brexit was such a success, demonstrating that this clearly would solve all your problems 😬
The question is, at what point is continued membership in the US a bigger problem than splitting from it would be?
California is large enough and prosperous enough that they could definitely make it as an independent nation, but the transition would be extremely difficult.
Oh, I agree, but I’ll still take whatever anxiety relief I can get right now.
Brexit didn’t involve escaping a fascist dictatorship. In fact, the idea was come up with by fascists.
Welcome to the UK and congrats on already understanding more about the political landscape here than half of the voting population.
Ha! Thanks!
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Here’s to hoping it’s just saber-rattling to remind the feds how important it is to the nation. CA standards benefit way more than just CA residents; i.e. giving other states framework to adopt similar legislation (like emission standards) or even HR practices. Anecdotally, I worked for a CA based company at an east coast office; when they laid a portion of the workforce off, they paid severance to all affected even though many of us were in ‘right to work’ states.
No could about it. It absolutely would.
We honestly never really finished the last one. Reconstruction got the rug pulled out from underneath it.
We have a history of being soft on treason
In part because we only exist due to treason.
At least the American revolution wasn’t about keeping slavery
No, but the second was, and at this rate the third one probably will be.
I fear that is going to need settled more finally at some point. That tumor continues to fester.
It’s not come to anything. They tried this a few years ago and it failed. “approved for signature gathering” doesn’t mean shit
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just like that one movie, what’s it called
Dude, Where’s My Car?
When Harry Met Sally?
Not sure if a joke, but Civil War?
