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Amazing how they are revising history. So was Hitler good or bad? I thought they are staunchly against communism?
Edit: wait, so they are saying Hitler was bad because he was a communist and AfD is conservative and against communism? Incredible.
Yes because that’s thing thing we care about, not that he was also a mass murdering fuckhead.
Is this the whole “Nazis were socialists because it’s in the name” thing again? The far right love to pull this point out, ignoring the fact that as soon as he had power, Hitler had anyone remotely socialist in the Nazi party murdered so he could get on with the fascism. The name “National Socialist” was a trick to get people on board. Anyway, it figures that Musk thinks Hitler was too left wing, since Musk thinks the whole universe is too left wing. And it’s characteristic of Musk that being to the right of Hitler doesn’t even give him pause.
North Korea is a thriving democracy; it’s right in the name!
and Baathist Syria was totally a democratic republic
I don’t believe Syria ever styled itself “Democratic”. But the Syrian Republic was certainly a republic.
For that matter, so was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
A republic is simply a nation with no monarch. If you don’t believe me ask any Canadian, as they are constantly debating whether to officially leave the British crown and become a republic.
Not as a title, but if i recall correctly, the first first article of the old constitution states that the Syrian Arab Republic is a Democracy. Also for what it’s worth, the Baath party was also officially “socialist”.
The lack of a monarchy isn’t enough to qualify as a republic, the people need to also hold some sort of power.
Being a republic has nothing to do with whether ordinary people hold power. For example in Plato’s Republic, power was exclusively held by philosophers because ordinary people were unwise and could not be trusted.
Yea, the name is originally in latin res publica, meaning “public matter”. In opposition to a kingdom that is the private domain of a single person.
So Venezuela is in fact, Bolivia?
The name “National Socialist” was a trick to get people on board.
Sort of. Hitler didn’t found the party, he joined it as a mole in order to spy on it for the military. He ended up doing a lot more than most moles, eventually taking it over and expelling the more socialist (though still racist) founders.
Hitler hated socialists and tried to change the name as soon as he took over, but was convinced to keep the name because it had become a popular brand.
Not like it really matters. A lot of self proclaimed communists on the fediverse actively supported Trump, such as ML and Hexbear.
If nobody agrees what or who communism is then it gets used to describe anything and everything.
Ba dum tsss
they know this isn’t true but they also know it works to say it
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Then why do you love him so much?
If Hitler is communist then the Nazi party is communist.
If the nazi party is communist then nazis and supporter of the nazi ideology are communists.
The far right is comprised majorly of nazis and supporters of nazi ideology, then the far right is communist.
The far right has Trump as a leader and have an ideology similar to their supporters, then… Trump is communist.
America, you know what to do with those commies.
Brilliant 👏
Saving for future use.
If those people could follow logical trains of thought, we wouldn’t have any of these problems in the first place.
Red scare, don’t let me down now!
Just wait till you find out what color MAGA hats are!
Eh, three arrows isn’t really a good source either. Being against Socialism/Communism (one of the arrows in the 3) is a big red flag for attacking claims of Nazis being Socialist. A much better source would be Blackshirts and Reds by Dr. Michael Parenti.
Here’s where the arrows come from. Figures that social democrats aren’t authoritarians and thus don’t like tankies which the KPD very much was. Calling them, at least at that time, “against socialism” is gross libel. (Technically the SPD still hasn’t abandoned socialism, at least when you look into their party programme, but new labour etc).
I guess a much bigger red flag is coming from a .ml instance and re-heating “social fascist” rhetoric against SocDems.
…can’t believe I’m actually defending the traitor party but it’s against tankies so meh.
I’m aware that the Three Arrows symbol originated from the Iron Front, I believe you are mistaken when you say Social Democracy is Socialist. Socialism is foundationally anticapitalist, Social Democrats wish to retain Capitalism and harness it to expand safety nets and social programs. This isn’t about “tankies” or whatever, Social Democrats are opposed to Socialism both historically and ideologically, hence the addition of the slash.
You called them a traitor party for good reason.
No, they don’t. From a Marxist perspective, they think that liberal-democratic capitalism is a better pre-stage to the abolishment of capitalism than Leninist state capitalism.
Our history is shaped by the idea of democratic socialism, a society of free and equal people where our core values are realized. It requires a structure in economy, state and society guaranteeing civil, political, social and economic basic rights for all people living a life without exploitation, suppression and violence, hence in social and human security.
The end of the soviet type state socialism did not disprove the idea of democratic socialism but it clearly confirmed the orientation of social democracy towards core values. In our understanding democratic socialism remains the vision of a free and fair society in solidarity. Its realization is a permanent task for us. The principle for our actions is social democracy.
I’m aware of the claims of the SPD. I explained in another comment why they are contradictory and wrong, such as Rosa Luxemburg disproving them. This is further proven by the fact that Socialist systems have been built by Marxists, but none have been built by Social Democrats in history.
Are they the same morons that say Hitler was an atheist, despite him repeatedly quoting the Bible and the SS having “God is with us” on their uniforms? 🤔
Yes, he was opposed to Catholicism because it was a threat to the total rule of the Nazi party over every aspect of life, but he was following “German Christianism”, which was a Protestant splinter group in line with Nazi ideology.
Why do they lie in a way that makes their hero be on the opposite side as them?
Hitler scares right wingers because he turned the colonialism that Western Europe plundered and looted the rest of the world towards Western Europe itself. Lebensraum was settler-colonial, after all. However, right wingers are fascinated by such an idea and wish to replicate it on their terms.
Breaking: self proclaimed genius is, in fact, an idiot.
Or a liar. Remember: in real life, people can, in fact, lie.
Didn’t his own dad say he was… the R word?
To be fair his dad’s opinion isn’t one that I respect.
But yes. The man has more money than God and basically his entire family has completely disowned him, with the exception of the baby he carries around as body armor because he isn’t old enough to know what that is yet.
For anyone else in the world I would hope that would be something of a wake up call.
Yeah, all the comments he made about the secret agenda of European jews to spread “judeobolshevism” through communist organizations and annihilate the Aryan race were just jokes about his good friends the communists. Him and Stalin were actually best buddies.
It’s telling that it needs the second sentence you wrote for me to realize you were speaking about Hitler, not Elon. I don’t say he’s gone of that far, but it wouldn’t have supposed me at all.
Let’s invade Russia and kill 15 or 20 million peasants as a prank.
Which shows how much they don’t know about history. Given that Weidel talked about rather fictious versions of schools in Germany, I’d say that she did not spend enough time to learn anything worthwhile in there.
She lives in Switzerland… So yes…
