Summary
Asian American groups are preparing for potential deportations of undocumented Chinese nationals, particularly military-age men, under Trump’s proposed immigration policies.
Sources indicate Chinese nationals may be prioritized due to alleged national security concerns, reflecting broader anti-China sentiment.
Community organizations are creating multilingual resources, coordinating legal support, and educating families on their rights.
Trump’s rhetoric ties Chinese immigrants to fears of espionage, intensifying anxieties.
Advocates highlight the historical targeting of minority groups during national security crises and warn of significant impacts on vulnerable communities, urging solidarity and swift action.
For the white folk like my family that are out there wondering why so many people are afraid: here it is.
You don’t have to be an illegal immigrant to get caught up in this. If you’re an American citizen who is arrested and thrown in a camp without access to communications or legal counsel, how can you prove you’re a citizen? You’ll end up being in line at a deportation hearing, get 30 seconds in front of a judge, and find yourself deported because you didn’t have the correct documentation on your body.
Or if you did and the immigration gestapo “lost” it.
I’m so white that even sunburnt I still look like a ghost, so I’m safe. But that shouldn’t be what protects me from illegal deportation.
I’m so white that even sunburnt I still look like a ghost, so I’m safe. But that shouldn’t be what protects me from illegal deportation.
I got sunburnt taking out the trash so I’m in the same boat as you.
potential risk to national security
Pot, meet kettle.
Pot, meet industrial boiler.
FTFY
As much as I despise the policy of mass deportation (collective punishment is morally repugnant), at least this has a plausible reason behind it instead of “they’re eating our pets”.
That is in no way a positive or even worth mentioning.
Please, go on. I would love to hear more about your defense of concentration camps.
I said I do not agree with collective punishment. In no way should a Chinese person be deported or put in a camp because a different Chinese person was engaged in espionage. Only people found guilty of espionage should be deported, period.
What I’m saying is that Chinese espionage is based in reality, unlike the claim that Haitian immigrants were eating pets.
Your naïveté is not really that endearing. Could you be naïve about something else, like say whether cats will steal something off the kitchen counter?
In what way is it naive to say that Chinese espionage is real?
Or are you implying that we should deport all Chinese people because a handful of espionage actually happens? Because that’s morally abhorrent.
If you’re making a claim, please cite your sources.
So you think we should put Chinese spies in… Camps? I don’t think that’s usually how it works…
Call me crazy, but I think the camps might be for a different purpose…
No? They should be deported, not put in camps.
Espionage from many countries is real. It’s an incredibly poor justification for deportation or confinement without due process, though.
I 100% agree. If you read my comments you’ll see that I said we should not deport people who haven’t been found guilty of espionage. Collective punishment is evil.
In what way is it naive to say that Chinese espionage is real?
It’s not. But your faith in the system and due process is.
Only people found guilty of espionage should be deported, period.
- This already happens;
- In Trumpistan, how do they get to that stage of being “found guilty”?
- What ancillary effects happen as a result of a broad, federal-level push to “root out” Chinese people “suspected” of espionage?
Agreed on all points. Trump is intentionally using a legitimate but small problem to excuse and fuel his overt racism.
Yeah, like the Japanese internment camps during WWII. Totally plausible. A shining moment in our national history, widely recognized by all as a terrific decision.
/s
I’m sure whatever garbage Clarence Thomas vomited up for the Korematsu dissent is terrible and he’ll find another way to bring it up
🤨
My dad remarried a China-nese lady after my mom passed away. He voted for Trump in 2020 and 2024. I love this lady like my own mom, but the leopard is coming in to eat soon.
Doesn’t that mean she is at least a legal resident, if not a US citizen? Either way, if she’s married to a US citizen then she isn’t undocumented.
In the 1930s, over a third of all deportations were actually American citizens.
One of Trump’s campaign promises was to increase legal immigration, along with deporting undocumented immigrants. This isn’t the 1930s. Stop doomscrolling and get some fresh air.
There’s some nuance to what you just said that you’re ignoring.
When Trump talks about legal immigration, he literally uses the words “from the right places.” He’s not talking legal immigration from Mexico. He’s talking from Sweden, Finland, Germany, etc. I’ll let you guess what those three countries have in common.
Nuance? I’m willing to bet you haven’t listened to any of his campaign speeches, which makes that an assumption. No nuance involved.
Trump has been talking about Chinese immigrants. This thread is about a Chinese Immigrant.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/07/us/politics/trump-immigrants-nice-countries.html
He said out loud that he wants immigration from “nice” places like Denmark, Norway, and Switzerland. He laments immigration from Asia (unclear where in Asia he means). He might also talk about Chinese immigrants, but he is taking a strong anti-China stance with the economy. It’ll be “interesting” to see how he swings with respect to normal Chinese workers in the US versus how he treats the country of China and immigration in general.
“One of Trump’s campaign promises…”
Lol, lmao even.
He wouldn’t have promised it if his voters weren’t OK with it. Not saying he’ll keep his word, but it gives insight to the state of the Republican party. Some people on Lemmy seem to think he’s literally Hitler. He’s not, even if he turns out to be just as bad. He’ll find his own way to fuck shit up, so don’t expect an exact repeat of history.
Some people on Lemmy seem to think he’s literally Hitler. He’s not, even if he turns out to be just as bad.
So let me get this straight, when you hear people say Trump is “literally Hitler” you think they’re saying he’s actually the original real-life Adolf Hitler, somehow still alive, clean shaven, wearing a Trump disguise? Is that what you’re saying right now?
You don’t think that people actually just mean history is repeating itself, and Trump could turn out to be just as bad? That’s not what you think people mean?
Read my comments from the beginning of this thread. I’m saying Trump isn’t going to attack the same people Hitler did. And I’m saying he’s not going to attack people in the same way Hitler did.
Did you buy the sneakers or the bible? Both?
This purity testing is why I don’t call myself a Democrat, liberal, or leftist. Anyone who isn’t sufficiently in line with the party beliefs is accused of being the enemy. I’m not a Republican or a conservative, but I know a few and they don’t fit the stereotypes I hear from people here on Lemmy and IRL. Maybe the dems could win an election if they came back to reality.
This purity testing is why I don’t call myself a Democrat, liberal, or leftist.
Because you don’t align with those beliefs. You are not a Democrat, liberal or leftist. And what? You expect those of us who are to call you that out of some misguided sense of charity? I’d suggest having the courage to own your own beliefs.
What beliefs are your referring to, exactly? From my perspective, the main thing I disagree with them about is the purity testing.
if she’s married to a US citizen then she isn’t undocumented
Untrue. It depends on how long you were out of status and what sort of status you had in the first place. If you never had a visa in the first place you really are shit out of luck and can only apply for a green card after you self deport (which may get you a 10 year ban on reentry after you so it or if you’ve entered the country illegally more than once you get a lifetime ban with no possibility of appeal even if you’re married to an American citizen and have American citizen children with them).
https://www.boundless.com/faqs/overstayed-visa-marriage-consequences/
https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/guides/A2en.pdf
You’re splitting hairs. If she’s legally married to an American citizen (and isn’t an agent of a foreign government, and hasn’t been convicted of treason, etc), AND she goes through the legal process of gaining citizenship, then she’s a legal citizen.
Yes, there are technicalities and requirements. But gaining US citizenship through marriage is a very easy process compared to the other routes.
You consider a 10 year ban for getting a green card after you get married to be an easy process? Do you believe that most would decide to split their family up for 10 years vs remaining undocumented? You can’t become a citizen until you get a green card and I’ve layed out for you just the hard getting a green card is for someone undocumented. You can’t just get married and become a citizen. Even DACA recipients, who were brought here without their particular consent: if they get married to a citizen over 6 months after they turn 18 they’re going to be banned from re-entry for 3-10 years after they leave. And everyone who’s in the country who wasnt inspected on arrival(meaning they had a visa) cannot receive a green card without leaving first. Marriage is no panacea for the undocumented. For most of them, it’s quite useless.
I’m not sure what 10 year ban you’re talking about, but I personally know someone who married a foreign citizen, and she got US citizenship very quickly.
Can you give me more details about this 10 year ban? If almost sounds like you’re talking about people being ineligible for citizenship because they’re undocumented citizens.
Yes, that’s what I’m taking about. If you marry someone who is undocumented in the United States they’re ineligible. They must self deport and depending on how many months they were undocumented they get a 3 or 10 year ban. You said if they got married they would not be undocumented but that’s far from the case.
OK, that clears it up. I didn’t realize this was controversial though, seems like there is bipartisan support to deny citizenship over things like felony convictions.
i always knew chin yang was a terrorist
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
—Martin Niemöller
During the 1930s when there was a mass Mexican deportation, there were a lot of US citizens rounded up and deported. Don’t trust these guys will not make the same mistake. Of course, a decade later, Mexicans streamed across the border to mind farms and ranches while US manpower was in WWII. They kinda helped win the war by keeping the nation and it’s troops fed.
They did it a second time, too.
That’s a lot of Asian faces (39%) for these leopard to eat.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they try to strip Asian American citizens, naturalized or natural born, of their citizenship either.
I don’t appreciate my face getting eaten when I voted Harris. 😖
Yeah it does suck but unfortunately that’s what Americans voted for.
I’m not exactly looking forward to more racism and more being the perpetual foreigner but c’est la vie, it’s what idiot America voted for.
IANAL, but for natural born the only realistic scenario with the current legal setup is accusing them of treason and finding them guilty.
Isn’t it against international law to make someone stateless?
(Granted, it’s not like they’d care about legality)
That’s the fun thing about international law- who’s gonna enforce it?
That reminds me of the Hague Invasion Act:
The American Service-Members’ Protection Act, known informally as The Hague Invasion Act, is a United States federal law described as “a bill to protect United States military personnel and other elected and appointed officials of the United States government against criminal prosecution by an international criminal court to which the United States is not party”.
The Act gives the president power to use “all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court”.
Project 2025 includes doing away with naturalization, and I believe might even go as far as revoking citizenship from previously naturalized citizens (only when it suits them, of course).
Key word being current. Remember that Republicans will control all three branches of government, including both houses of Congress.
Of course that assumes they follow the law at all.
Yes, they have two years before midterm and that’s plenty of time
Exactly… Especially since one branch decided one of the other branches doesn’t have to follow the law.
I’ve figured it out! This is all a program to save the endangered Amur leopard!
They’re going to ship them back to Asia as leopard food!
Jesus Christ, every thread about deportations has some moron talking about leopards.
Undocumented immigrants can’t vote. I hate to take away whatever satisfaction you’re getting from human suffering here, but it is categorically not “leopards eating faces”.
Is that 39% the percentage of Asian Americans who voted for Trump? I bet most of those are rich enough that they don’t have to worry. What percentage of your demographic voted Republican? Do you deserve to be punished for them?
The world isn’t just and these people aren’t getting what they deserve. Put this energy into volunteering for organizations trying to help people. We have to stick together to get through the next four years.
First they came for…
“Wait… He wants to deport US? Not just them!”
particularly military-age men
And give China more people to wage war against America with? Sounds like a great plan! (/s obviously)
Indeed. The safest course of action is naturally to put them in concentration camps to avoid that possibility (/s as well).
“It’s not the Greeks, it’s the Chinese he’s after”
Just to add it to the MOUNTAIN of IToldYaSo I am saving up. If you are a LEGAL immigrant, make plans, you might become illegal over night. These people are insane and vile, protect yourself.
Even if you were born here, he wants to revoke citizenship from second-generation immigrants too.
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Correct, he’s going to revoke both his own and his kid’s citizenship.
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Far enough to create an ethnostate, probably.
1619?
I’m a 15th generation American citizen and I still feel threatened
This is it.
They aren’t even gonna try to prove the accusations are legitimate.
Yeah, that is even more insane. Removing birthright citizenship is just sick.
I’d say the constitution means he can’t do that… but…
The Supreme Court is basically Trump
There is a part in the consistution that says you are a citizen if: A or B and C. Birthright comes from A, where as people who travel to the USA need B and C, and people believe that means A or (B and C).
Trump wants it to be (A or B) and C.
Yeah and then? Where are you going to send them?
You can’t just toss them on a plane to Mexico, Mexico will send that back. These aren’t Mexican citizens, that’s now how this works, that’s not how anything works.
So what is it going to be? Greenland?
Applying reason and logic to their actions is a mistake. iirc, when we did it to the Japanese-Americans, we just detained the ones we couldn’t deport, and just kinda held them…
That is what will happen in the end.
The cost of housing the 20 million people he wants to deport will be beyond astronomical and bankrupt the US within a year
Citizenship is usually determined by where your parents have citizenship or where you were born. In Mexico, if the parent has citizenship, the kids can be nationalized. China could be harder though, if the Chinese parent was an American citizen. I have no idea how they’d treat it if that citizenship was revoked, but the kids wouldn’t normally be citizens if a Chinese parent acquired American citizenship and had the kids born as Americans. Normally countries don’t get into revoking citizenship because everyone has to have a country or last resort who is obligated to take them. Would be a rough situation to be stuck in. If you have money, you can buy citizenship in a lot of places though. Lots of EU countries allow that too.
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If their American citizenship is revoked and they’re not citizens anywhere else, then they would be stateless. There are international laws to help avoid people from becoming stateless, and special methods for stateless people to claim asylum. But clearly, Trump doesn’t care about international laws.
What a convenient pretext to round up Beijing’s wishlist of exiles.
Orange Man baths in social credits.
“undocumented”
Well, I mean, if they’re undocumented they’re already just one bad luck away from getting deported, the question is, how does he plan to catch them if they’re not getting caught already?
“Papers, please”
They’re hitting the detain button immediately.
