Candace Fails screamed for someone in the Texas hospital to help her pregnant daughter. “Do something,” she pleaded, on the morning of Oct. 29, 2023.
Nevaeh Crain was crying in pain, too weak to walk, blood staining her thighs. Feverish and vomiting the day of her baby shower, the 18-year-old had gone to two different emergency rooms within 12 hours, returning home each time worse than before.
The first hospital diagnosed her with strep throat without investigating her sharp abdominal cramps. At the second, she screened positive for sepsis, a life-threatening and fast-moving reaction to an infection, medical records show. But doctors said her six-month fetus had a heartbeat and that Crain was fine to leave.
Now on Crain’s third hospital visit, an obstetrician insisted on two ultrasounds to “confirm fetal demise,” a nurse wrote, before moving her to intensive care.
By then, more than two hours after her arrival, Crain’s blood pressure had plummeted and a nurse had noted that her lips were “blue and dusky.” Her organs began failing.
Hours later, she was dead.
Fails, who would have seen her daughter turn 20 this Friday, still cannot understand why Crain’s emergency was not treated like an emergency.
But that is what many pregnant women are now facing in states with strict abortion bans, doctors and lawyers have told ProPublica.
Reading this I remember something I heard from a show about people working in the ER where the, had something similar(pregnant woman comes into the hospital with something live threatening) “The life of the baby is currently irrelevant, because if we can’t save the mother, the kid will Die too.”
Death after death after death. The GOP death cult is doing its job.
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Not dying from a miscarriage at 20 doesn’t mean you have good genes, it means you’re lucky. Teen pregnancies (she had just turned 20) are more likely to have complications because their body isn’t finished developing yet.
Jesus Christ dude. Turn off your phone. Walk outside. Get some fresh air
The millions of years preceding modern medicine didn’t fix it, so I’m not sure how much time you eugenicists think evolution takes
I have been saying anti-abortion instead of pro-life. But I feel like there must be another simply-expressed term to reflect their thinking. Something along the lines of anti-women or just anti-choice. I dunno.
there must be another simply-expressed term to reflect their thinking
Monstrous. Sociopathic. Inhumane. Evil. Deranged.
There’s plenty of simply-expressed terms to reflect their thinking.
Anti-women’s-health
I’ve always used anti-abortion. Pro-life just isn’t an accurate descriptor, and a “pro-life protest”, or a “pro-life bill” seem like undeserved euphemisms considering what they want. Outlawing executions would be a pro-life bill.
Anti-choice is good too.
It’s absolutely anti-choice. The party of small government (except when it comes to controlling people).
government small enough to fit in your pants
Forced-birth and anti-autonomy are other options that may be useful. Sex-punishers is another one.
Honestly, it is all about sex punishment. In the conservative mind, getting pregnant is a consequence of sex - and if you need an abortion, then you shouldn’t have had sex. It’s that simple to them.
They don’t think in terms of medical problems or grey areas. Just: had sex, got pregnant, deal with the consequences.
And by the way, men don’t deserve punishment for sex because it’s their nature and prerogative, but women do.
Forced birth
Yeah but in cases like this, it was forced death.
Punishing unwed, independent mothers is the plan.
So pro life.
Stop saying “died” - Another woman was MURDERED by ignorant texas bigots in their government and spiteful, irresponsible, freedom-hating voter base.
cruz, abbott, patrick, gohmert, cornyn and cock-eyed Ken the AG, along with trump, corrupt SCOTUS majority and the whole gop giving them cover, are soaked in this woman’s blood.
She was a white woman, literally named heaven HEAVEN backwards, and she’s still dead, you absolute cowards that voted to enable this. Y When will you realize that you’re not safe from this, you’re not different, you’re not “one of the good ones” that will see some protections others won’t. Go have someone read a short poem to you, commonly referred to as, “first they came for”. There will be plenty of words in there you don’t understand, but the gist is, YOU OR YOUR DAUGHTER ARE FUCKING NEXT UP - this dead teenager, who never saw her 20th birthday, is the latest Handmaid they throw on the wall as an example to others of what’s coming.
There won’t be an official announcement when christian fascism takes over your area or else there would have been one a while ago.
Let them see this dead fetus they picked over a healthy girl every other night.
Heh, there was a guy in my purview yesterday whose costume was Guts. Nice recollection you’ve summoned up.
Insane this is allowed to happen in 2024. And more insane that medical staff are following these caveman rules and are not protesting.
Technically this happened is 2023. Insane nonetheless.
Recalled this case that is getting public attention in Mexico. Queretaro, a state in the Bajio region of Mexico known by its conservative ideas, is using their attorneys to try to make a 14 yo child to pay 26,000 USD in damage repair to her rapist, because she suffered a miscarriage. The state attorneys also demand her to go to prison for three years.
Publicly, and in the media, the girl is known as “Esmeralda”. I’m sorry I couldn’t find a note in English about this case to link. The thing in common between both situations is a corrupted institution that’s supposed to protect the people.
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This is the future the Republicans want.
But also the present that Republicans have forced upon us.
It’s the present in multiple states. It’s the future they want for the entire country.
And the present the current government is also fine with.
Hate to be that guy, but it is also the present (hopefully not future) the Democrats have allowed Republicans to build:
Bill Clinton promised to codify Roe v. Wade into law. He didn’t.
Obama promised to codify Roe v. Wade into law. He didn’t despite having a super-majority in his first two years.
Biden promised to codify Roe v. Wade into law and didn’t. The Dobbs decision was taken in June 2022, so before the midterms when Democrats still had a simple majority in the house and a tie + VP in the senate. When there were rumors/leaks a month or so before the decision that the USSC would take that decision soon. Again: Inaction.
Reagan gets the blame for 9/11 by not passing Federal laws that help to keep hijackers off of planes.
Yes, they had many chances and failed. But these new laws are NOT anyone’s fault but republicans.
They didn’t fail. They didn’t even try. Not even with a super-majority.
I am sick of such important issues like health of people, let alone half the population, being used as mere strategic play. So please push them to do the right thing, after they’re elected. They don’t seem to respond without pressure.
I’m sure you’re more politically astute than Obama or Pelosi but even with a supermajority Roe v. Wade wasn’t predicted to be murdered under the administration of a russian plant who spiked FBI investigations into the corrupt justices the republiQan controlled Senate waved through after they lied and claimed they though of Roe as settled law.
Democrats are absolutely to blame for not fighting harder, absolutely, but overturning Roe was not supposed to get any support much less 75% of all republiQan women who have had multiple opportunities to oppose it and do not. If one is to legislate like one should many, many, many things would need to change.
My point being it’s not as simple as you make it. And when people jump to “yeah but Democrats are to blame” I know we’re usually already in Bad Faithville. Both Sides and all that. NO.
And when people jump to “yeah but Democrats are to blame” I know we’re usually already in Bad Faithville. Both Sides and all that.
Just no. This is not about both sides in any shape way or form. This is about agency. Fact is: There were ways to do this and the last three Democratic presidents (including the sitting president) have campaigned and outlined plans to codify it into law and didn’t. Yes it may have taken people by surprise that the country and the world is regressing as early and fast as it is, but that doesn’t take away agency, especially when they didn’t even try to spring to action after mere lip service to garner votes.
The thing is: The conservative, religious right, openly formulated and has been following their plan of judicial activism for decades. The lower courts haven’t become this biased towards Republican policy over night. It was due to bad luck, bad faith acting of McConnel and the other Republican senators and stubberness of some involved people on the other side of the aisle that Trump was able to nominate this many people to the USSC. It would have happened at some point.
Absolutely horrifying.
The second ER diagnosed her with sepsis and then sent her home because her fetus had a heartbeat.
I’m disgusted. If you are a woman, you need to get the fuck out of these death trap states. It is not safe for you there.
It’s one of the main reasons I got a vasectomy
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Luckily everyone I work with are liberals. Remote jobs are pretty nice.
I tell everybody as soon as they ask me if I have kids and I live in a very, very conservative area. Fuck em.
I’ve known (or dated) a few conservative men who refused to get vasectomies because they “lower testosterone”. And, of course that means they’re less of a man (to themselves and others who think that way).
Is that even true?? You still have your balls, the sperm just doesn’t have an exit route anymore. Like, biology is weird as shit, I could see that somehow causing testosterone to drop slightly for some weird ass reason, but I’ve never heard of it.
I should have put that in quotes to avoid confusion. I’ll edit :)
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I figured, but man, they’re always learning weird new shit about the body, lol.
The funny thing is the dudes worried about low T don’t know T that is too high (according to your body, not according to what you want) just converts to estrogen… which you would think they would be a lot more concerned about, given their anxieties about being too feminine!
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The second ER diagnosed her with sepsis and then sent her home
That right there should be criminal charges. Pregnancy staus is irrelevant at that point. Sepsis will kill you if untreated.
It was the politicians in Texas that harmed this woman. Not the hospital. The Texas AG sent letters to every hospital in Texas saying he would press criminal charges to anyone granting an emergency abortion. As hard as it is for poor and middle class workers, there’s no way any nurse doctor or hospital is going to put themselves in front of the Texas government. If they could they would have left the state already. (many have.) Small towns in forced birth States literally have no pregnancy care facilities because the staff has all left.
Just following orders.
Imo it’s premeditated murder.
But they saved the “baby” right?
But they “saved” the “baby” right?
Fify - the baby didn’t make it.
…they said it may have been possible to save both the teenager and her fetus if she had been admitted earlier for close monitoring and continuous treatment.
There was a chance Crain could have remained pregnant, they said. If she had needed an early delivery, the hospital was well-equipped to care for a baby on the edge of viability.
the second ER did not diagnose her with sepsis, they diagnosed her with strep throat and a UTI. some portion of responsibility IMO lies with that OB-GYN for screwing up that diagnosis, although i understand the larger point of the article seems to be that doctors are reluctant to diagnose or treat really any condition in pregnant women for fear of getting legally crushed by the state
At the second, she screened positive for sepsis
From the article.
The first one said strep. The second one said sepsis.
it’s possible that I’m misunderstanding here but I think the sepsis diagnosis is from a retrospective review of her file. at the time there was no sepsis diagnosis. they even specifically call out that doctor for having been under review for missing diagnoses in the past
After two hours of IV fluids, one dose of antibiotics, and some Tylenol, Crain’s fever didn’t go down, her pulse remained high, and the fetal heart rate was abnormally fast, medical records show. Hawkins noted that Crain had strep and a urinary tract infection, wrote up a prescription and discharged her.
Hawkins had missed infections before. Eight years earlier, the Texas Medical Board found that he had failed to diagnose appendicitis in one patient and syphilis in another. In the latter case, the board noted that his error “may have contributed to the fetal demise of one of her twins.” The board issued an order to have Hawkins’ medical practice monitored; the order was lifted two years later. (Hawkins did not respond to several attempts to reach him.)
Could be. I read the strep and UTI as having been written down either from the previous hospital or by the patient and her mother based on the previous hospital visit.
And while it sounds like Hawkins is not someone you’d want to be in charge of your care, it seems like there were a lot more failures here than just one bad doctor.
The first hospital diagnosed her with strep throat without investigating her sharp abdominal cramps. At the second, she screened positive for sepsis, a life-threatening and fast-moving reaction to an infection, medical records show. But doctors said her six-month fetus had a heartbeat and that Crain was fine to leave.
Any “pro-life” fuckheads want to speak up here? This is the inevitable result of laws criminalizing healthcare. The doctors could not act without risking criminal prosecution in Texas and this young woman died. Or maybe killing women was the goal all along? Solving Texas’ teen pregnancy problem one dead teen at a time.
They should never again be allowed to call themselves pro-life. They are anti-choice pro-death ghouls
I wonder how many doctors move to Texas due to their believes. How do you say strep throat and septics are the same? Strep is a quick and easy test.
This terrifies me for my daughter. Not just being pregnant but any illness.
Because Texas is literally threatening their lives for giving the right diagnosis. Its a lose lose situation for everyone involved. So hospitals, doctors and nurses are taking the lessor evil by letting individual woman die. The alternative is death penalty and the hospital being heavily fined or closed. The Texas AG publicly said he would go after anyone in Texas that provides an abortion.
i’ve read all the comments here and don’t see one single person talking about what to do about it. it’s just a big circle jerk of ‘republicans bad’ like we didn’t know that. ‘religion bad’ - yeah, no shit sherlock. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?
The Bible actually gives instructions on how to induce an abortion, and only Catholocism really has a stance against it.
No, let’s not blame God. The true culprit is men, men who want to make being a woman who isn’t subservient to men punishable by death. And they don’t mind a little friendly fire as long as it keeps the “jezebels” in line.
THIS is why we don’t vote third party, we go blue, because pink has to pay the price if we don’t.
of course. sure. patriarchy, religion, fascism, captialism, all the usual suspects. anybody that doesn’t get it hasn’t been paying attention.
but what do we DO ABOUT IT?
Anything at all
really? seems a little less than organized and effective.
Join a protest, start a petition, call congressman, fucking vote…
we been doing that for years. hasn’t changed much. what’s the next step?
EDIT: protests are 20th century passe’ and only affect change if they become violent (see george floyd), petitions are almost a complete waste of time, your congressman definitely isn’t listening to you, i still believe voting is effective but not enough (and may soon be nerfed into uselessness)
Kay, but still anything at all
only affect change if they become violent (see george floyd)
Did those even change anything, actually? I just remember some statues being torn down and the police just doing their business as usual. They also need to be aimed at the correct targets for them to be effective.
The Bible actually gives instructions on how to induce an abortion
It really doesn’t. What it does is describe a religious rite that’s a sort of combined paternity test/abortion if she’s unfaithful. The idea being that the priest does his thing, she drinks the dusty water and if the child isn’t her husband’s she’ll miscarry on the spot. If she doesn’t miscarry, then God has proclaimed it’s his kid and he should have more faith in his wife.
There’s nothing in the description of it that would tell one how to trigger an abortion without divine involvement.
The true culprit is men,
Being pro-life or pro-choice isn’t strongly genedered. It’s not like men as a class oppose abortion and women as a class defend it. I think you’d be shocked at the sheer number of women out there who oppose abortion, and the number of men who don’t. It would be more accurate to say that a swath of religious folks (Catholics and certain flavors of evangelicals) oppose it, and those in their social reach get pulled along with them, along with traditionalist conservatives who are all about controlling sexuality.
Not all men, I mean the specific men who passed this asinine bullshit.
Vote
i’ve been voting for 30 years. hasn’t saved us yet. what’s the next step?
EDIT: voting is important, but it’s not enough.
I would argue it has, to an extent. Trump winning is why we’re in this situation. Had he not, the status quo of Roe would have stayed. Vote to restore it.
And then once your person wins, shout at them every day about the things that are important to you. Pester and annoy them so much that they are both motivated to do what you want just to get you to leave them alone, and also so they have support they can point to to convince their colleagues to join the cause. We’d be in a very different place if we had demanded getting rid of the Electoral College even 10 years ago, and a vastly different place if we had gotten that changed 25 years ago.
I know it’s a lot of work to stay loud about political issues all the time, but if you don’t use your voice, someone will take your silence as contentment and nothing will change.
Voting is simply putting a word in for a candidate to fill in a subordinate role to your company’s HR department.
You won’t always get the one you pick, so it’s your responsibility to put forward the best candidate (primaries), vouch for them (voting), and keep them accountable to their KPIs (individual lobbying).
ETA: Remember, you’re basically looking to hire someone to look after you, your family, your friends and your community for the next n years; it also takes a lot longer to fix something, than it did to break it initially, and fixed things still wear the scars of the past.
didn’t realize i was in the EILI5 sub, but thanks?
vote harder, make people pay for their votes.
If more people had voted you could have prevented Trump
The doctors are breaking their oath every time they refuse treatment.
Yeah that’s the part I don’t get: The law is literally telling doctors to kill their patients and the doctors are just going along with it? WTF!
Do you want there to be no doctors available to help people in Texas? Because doctors ignoring the laws of where they are and ending up losing their license or being jailed just means less doctors
Yes. that is exactly what I want. I want the absurdity of this situation to come to a breaking point that affects these callous trash humans who think its okay to kill women to protect a potential human. I want them to lose their license for failing to keep the oath they take when they get that license.
that affects these callous trash humans who think its okay to kill women to protect a potential human
I want them to lose their license
You’re mad at one group of people so you want to punish a different group?
No. I want all trash magas to decompose.
consequences for breaking an oath
arbitrary punishment
not the same thing
or would you rather to continue to let policy dictate standard of care? the law is wrong, and if a doctor isnt going to break it to do the right thing, they shouldnt be a doctor anymore
State medical licensing boards usually consider flouting the law to be unprofessional conduct so doctors are really in a bind here. You should direct your ire to the people who created this situation not the ones who are caught in it.
you didnt read my comment in the way it was intended:
everyone involved here- the doctors, the patients, the state medical board- everyone wants doctors acting in accordance with the oath they took. these doctors, while legitimately afraid of running afoul of the law, may have intentionally failed to help this woman out of that fear, and if they could have helped her, should have. the fact that “this law” exists is a question for another time and place, after she has received appropriate care.
if this law then causes a disciplinary hearing, thats how uts supposed to happen. the law can be brought into question. human beings with the requisite skills and experience to pass judgement on proper medical procedures can be consulted.
sorry, but people dont get to pass laws that cause doctors to withhold care out of fear, laws they only passed out of their beliefs surrounding conception and birth. if those doctors werent going to save that woman, who was? wasnt that literally what they swore to do? what they got that license from texas for?
you break the unjust laws. thats how it works.
im tired of oh standing up is hard
tell it to that womans family
ed to add: theres enough ire to go around. many people fucked up and they all share the blame
