This is why we need to ban hurricanes.
Nah, we gotta nuke the hurricanes.
It’s a win-win. We destroy the hurricanes, and we also reduce our nuclear stockpile. I can see no flaws in this proposal. Checkmate, peaceniks!
What if to stop the hurricanes, we put our nuclear stockpile underneath a steam engine.
I know you’re joking, but I wanted to take this opportunity to make a side note. Nuclear test ban treaties have been effective enough for long enough that we don’t have to scavenge old shipwrecks for low background radiation steel anymore. That’s a huge success, and we shouldn’t squander it.
Maybe running a political party off of hate wasn’t such a good idea.
It’s isn’t ever a problem or bad idea (until it come back to happen to them)
oops!
It’s not about good ideas, it’s about what works.
It’s funny when the best way to defeat hateful right is to look at right-wing ideas without emotion and prejudice.
Find what makes them work to attract people and form parties. Find the most general subset of that you can coexist with. Incorporate it. Doesn’t work? Look for remaining differences. And so on. Evolution. Survival of the fittest.
Not to ever be a Florida apologist in my entire life, but hating homeless people crosses party lines.
California dems jumped at taking away homeless camps. Not helping them, just destroying the camps. Claim victory, homeless move a few blocks over, or the next town over, without their stuff. It’s like a South Park episode.
Yeeep. Boy howdy, White Democrats^TM like to avoid feeling uncomfortable. That’s where they draw their progressive line.
It’s wealthy suburban NIMBY Dems, not “white”.
Both are true. And sad.
I’m not saying that the democratic party is good on this front. I’m saying that the republican party, the ruling party of Florida is built on hate, and it’s biting them in the ass.
It’s only a bad idea if you give a shit about the populace.
Sounds like a lot of people in Florida are about to become homeless too… I dunno, I say they completely, 100% enforce the laws right now. You didn’t fight against this bullshit because it “doesn’t affect me”? Well now it can affect you. Ticket everyone. Waste everyone’s time. It was so important to do this, then fucking do it. Be the fucking clowns you are. Ticket people who lost their home, who are camping in their front yard. What, they’re having a bad time right now and we should be generous? That’s homeless people all the time.
Suspending the law because it’s a weather emergency is bullshit. It’s being suspended because it might affect voters. Just trying to cover their own ass when they need it and shafting anyone else when it’s convenient.
The apocalypse makes fools of us all.
This is why I don’t really like to punish people or hold grudges, what comes around tends to go around.
That’s some Just World fallacy bullshit right there.
Naw, I’m not saying the world is just, I’m saying it sucks and we shouldn’t make it suck more by being vindictive as all Hell.
You reap what you sow.
Especially true for those rightwing religious nuts. Their book tells them Hosea 8:7: “For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind.”
The people who actually sowed this are only going to reap a few extra weeks of complaining, “the poors are making the streets so ugly, why won’t the police arrest them faster?”
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No. These people voted to make homelessness illegal and now they’re all homeless. What are they gonna do now? Arrest everyone? Fucking do it. Let the people who voted for the scum that passed these laws face the fucking music.
Kinda fucked for the people that didnt sow, but yeah, the ones that did shall enjoy the reaping.
While the law includes exceptions during emergencies like major storms, those protections end when the hurricane order is no longer in place.
The article never explains the title.
Ya because people can just pick up the shattered pieces of their lives on the governments timeline. They’ll remove the hurricane order way too soon resulting in additional people being imprisoned or removed from their “homes” and their land will be sold off to a golf course or oil company.
I mean, I think it does. A hurricane order expires shortly after the storm is over. It can take months for new shelter to be provided for those that lose their homes. Some people might prefer just to live out of their RV or a tent or whatever to save money while new living arrangements are figured out.
Well that’s a problem somebody could’ve seen coming, and probably did, and were probably told to shut the hell up.
Man who tf goes around enforcing these laws after a disaster. Imagine some wack ass old white guy ticketing people outside of the FEMA medical station for loitering.
Nah, it’ll be some 28 year old wannabe Punisher wearing Oakleys whose weekend activities include watching football and abusing his girlfriend.
I can see you haven’t interacted with many police in these areas. I wouldn’t be surprised in the least by any of that behavior. The cops only protect and serve property, not people.
Margaret Killjoy did a 2 part podcast about relief efforts in Asheville, and she mentioned that one FEMA worker she spoke to told her one of the biggest hurdles to actually getting people help was the fact that a lot of local rescue and aid efforts are first and foremost run by police and the military (and other local first responders, but in the US police generally outnumber these by a hideous ratio).
The worker mentioned that the frustrations mostly come because community and mutual aid are inherently horizontal - you tell me you need food, I have food, I share food, no strings. Police and military are taught to desire hierarchy and structure and order, they want “these people need aid first and then these people and then these” rather than “EVERYONE needs aid, and if we offer it freely people generally won’t take advantage”, which is usually the case actually. I can definitely see police going “well I know all these people just don’t have homes anymore, but if we stop enforcing this law society will break down entirely”.
Rebecca Solnit gives examples of this going back over 100 years
I never once expressed disbelief.
Sure it’s Floriduh, but suspend the law for a year already.
Bwahahahahaha. Man, you just gotta enjoy the irony.
Under the new Florida law, any citizen or business can sue beginning in January if they feel the anti-camping ban is not being properly enforced.
This is pants on head stupid. We could probably count on actual police and DAs understanding the situation and not enforcing this law in extraordinary circumstances. We can’t count on every HOA board member doing the same. Even if a judge grants an immediate motion to dismiss, it’s still a complete waste of everyone’s time and money. That’s the best case scenario.
Politicians make laws on the basis of “I’ll never be in that situation”. But then a son or daughter comes out as LGBTQ+ and all of a sudden laws need to change. A daughter has been raped and all of a sudden laws need to change. They don’t make laws to help us. They make laws to control us and sweep away things they don’t like.
And what about that politician whose VHS rental history got leaked to the whole world?
There’s a shocking number of people who walk this Earth without a functional world model or empathy, and don’t feel things until they occur to them personally.
It’s almost akin to a sort of brain damage or disorder, I’m not qualified enough to be able to explain what occurs in the brain structurally for this to happen; only that when they’re grimacing for getting convicted after they’ve murdered 40 people (or millions, if it’s an oil exec, for example) and wondering why that’s happening, you carefully and patiently explain to them that’s only part of what they’ve inflicted upon others and society writ large.
It doesn’t create a “just” or even sane society philosophically speaking, and the legislative process has been almost completely subverted by that segment of the population as you’d pointed out, specifically to be dysfunctional.
Maybe we ought to install more mirrors in the legislative branches
Classic “leopards eating face”.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Leopards_Eating_People’s_Faces_PartySee: Dick Cheney.
Where’s the law to sweep him away?
I’m sure there’s plenty, the trick is getting someone to enforce them.
A daughter has been raped and all of a sudden laws need to change.
Nah, they can afford to fly their daughters out.
I say, enforce the law! You can’t be homeless here! Get out! Go to Texas! They love homeless people there! Hey you want a home because you lost a home? So you’re homeless? Get out! …super easy, super simple. President Trump only likes people who don’t loose their homes.
repugs just cannot be allowed to continue. period.
