Good, the packages can’t even be recycled. Corporations should be held liable for their plastic waste contributions via the packaging.
you only need to make them pay the price of each packaging every day until it biodegrades. you’ll see change very quickly.
They’ll spend 300millions in lawyer fees to find a loophole where they only need to pay one packet for the time it takes to burn.
You think the bottles are going to be any better? They’re going to end up in the ocean with all of the other plastic bottles from other drinks.
No, glass or stainless steel
Not aluminum? Have you ever seen single serving drinks sold in stainless steel?
Single serving things should be illegal, only things needs to be single serving is shit found in a hospital
Single serving containers for food have their place, but there’s nothing that can’t be stored in either wax paper, aluminum, or glass(in that order). Aluminum is probably the best balance between recyclability and weight(fuel need to transport . You can even make aluminum “bottles” that fit in preexisting vending machines.
No, single serving bulkshit should be illegal. Other than convience there is 0 need.
You could do the same with glass too, and as I’ve stated previously, aluminum needs a barrier, and normally is plastic
Those bottles in the image look like plastic. I can’t find anything indicating they are using glass or stainless steel.
PET bottles are very easily recicled. In my country a sizeable amount of PET bottles sold are 100%recycled PET
But only a small fraction of the plastic gets recycled.
If 9/10ths of the plastic ends up in a landfill or the Pacific garbage patch, having 1/10th of that plastic recycled into another bottle (which then will eventually have 9/10ths tossed in a landfill anyways) isn’t doing much. It’s better than not recycling at all, but it’s green washing to say that it’s “eco friendly”, which Capri-Sun allegedly did at this trade show.
Any plastic should be considered unrecyclable. At least pouches use less overall plastic then bottles.
Most plastics are difficult (if at all possible) to recycle.
I agree. Fixed my grammar.
Oh no. I can’t relive the childhood frustration of being unable to access that sweet nectar shielded behind an impenetrable puncture-proof material with no tools to work with but the flimsiest of mini plastic straws.
Skill issue. You could always penetrate the tiny hole with your canines if you were adamant enough
If you were god-level, you could slurp it out through the little hole.
Then you push hard enough to punch through, and the straw goes straight out the back too.
That was the worst. I loved it.
I don’t know about over there, but here they’ve started selling them with paper straws. Making it even more impossible to puncture that stupid little hole while ruining the straw in the process.
And of course it’s the only thing my daughter wants to drink. I’ve had to resort to using a nail file to open those things.
I hate paper straws. There are many different compostable straws and paper is about the worst.
It’s like a game now. Can you finish the entire pouch before the straw disintegrates? Stay tuned to find out.
They even made one of the ends of the straw pointy to give the false illusion that you can easily stick it in. Of course, all it did was puncture a hole so tiny that the straw (that had been bent several times already) couldn’t go in, so you just sucked the juice out of the package with your mouth.
I don’t care about the nostalgia, but they are going to stop being easy to squeeze into a lunchbox now, so I’ll find a different brand.
I get my sugar fix from a different brand now
I see a ton of comments here hating on nostalgic people, with no actual nostalgic people in sight yet.
Personally I don’t care if a pouched drink exists or not, but if they are no longer producing pouched drinks they should probably retire the brand.
Do you remember what a CapriSun tastes like? It’s somewhere between an extremely-artificially flavored “juice” concentrate and a “fruit flavored” drink like Kool-Aid. The whole appeal was the packaging.
This is absolutely reeks of a bullshit “OMG the sky must be falling for you” condescending article from an older generation that thinks younger nostalgia is silly. I wouldn’t give this article any more credence than a boomer yelling “Avocado Toast!” at you when you’re enjoying a nice brunch. It’s just needlessly sensationalist shit stirring.
It’s quite literally a bit of orange juice, filled up with water and loaded with sugar.
It also includes flavoring (of which the orange juice is one). They come in more flavors than just orange.
THEY DO?!
Any chance you are thinking of SunnyD?
I see a ton of comments here hating on nostalgic people, with no actual nostalgic people in sight yet.
…yeah you’re in a Lemmy comment section.
179 post score seems highly nostalgic to me tbh
I invited myself because it’s an interesting article, nothing to do with nostalgia.
Sad, from a nostalgia point of view, but probably a win, environmentally. We have a pipeline to recycle plastic bottles, the mylar pouches are pretty much all single use.
We actually don’t have a pipeline to recycle plastic bottles though, right?
When you say “we” as in you and me, yeah, I don’t think we could manage to recycle them. “We” as a planet certainly can and many countries do.
Which countries? I thought only 9% of plastic is actually recycled.
Bottle deposit systems are generally effective. In Sweden, 90-95% of the pet plastic in drink bottles makes it back to a factory to be used as raw material for new bottles. We don’t really recycle the hdpe lids or polyester labels, though.
Why aren’t we just using glass, as we did for decades just fine.
Our school won’t let us send reusable glass containers excuse of fear of breakage.
I kinda understand, but our first grader has been using them for snacks at home for 5 years and never broken one.
That’s not actually a solution when talking single-use either. Remaking the bottles from recycled glass is incredibly energy intensive and not an environmentally friendly process either. Multi-use bottles are much better, but the cleaning required also isn’t that simple and also relatively energy intensive (far from remaking the bottles of course).
There’s also practical downsides to glass (heavy, breakable), but those are subjective and their relevance highly depends on the use case.
Ideally, we wouldn’t buy stuff to drink in any kind of bottle, but just use tap water. possibly just buy some concentrated stuff to then make your actual drink at home. Nothing beats the effectiveness of transporting water through a simple pipe, but that isn’t even possible everywhere in the world due to drinking water quality issues…
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If micro plastics in the water supply is an actual issue long term the tap water will be shot for the whole of most places. Reverse osmosis systems are the only ones I had heard could reliably help, but I haven’t gone to extensive on looking into that. Each household may someday need under the sink or such systems if so : /. Unless we can reliably do so at treatment plants and then transport it through the lines without the water getting any back in. With many American cities having water at its current state, I don’t see that happening.
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A surprising number of companies actually do sell powder versions of their drinks on the web. I buy both Arizona tea and A&W root beer packets online.
Holy shit I didn’t realize you could buy root beer concentrate, this is amazing. I’m totally stocking up next time I’m in the US.
A lot of glass bottles aren’t melted down, but simply washed and reused.
Good job with reading you did there. Your didn’t even make it 8 words in and already decided to comment. Maybe give it another go, if you dare, and try getting a little further this time.
Well that would be because the god-king CEO would have like 45k less per year out of his 38,000,000 dollar salary without bonuses and stock value if we were to do that, you fuckin peasant idiot chump. Not only that but their enabling middle management might have as much as $200 less in their annual bonuses. Think for someone else other than yourself for once.
But much better to use aluminium.
At least aluminum actually is recyclable.
Plastic and glass aren’t recyclable huh? Better just throw them in the landfill, much better.
There is still a plastic liner on the inside, glass, stainless steel or nothing
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Microplastics aren’t nothing
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Non acidic things don’t get either of these. Anything acidic goes into glass and non gets SS. Have a return system (beer store in Ontario does this)
Source on this “pipeline”?
…do you not believe bottles are recycled? Or is this just a snarky way of pointing out how ineffective the system is?
If you think recycling is effective you have fallen to their propaganda
Oh no, something is ineffective, we better abandon the whole idea!
Yes, actually. We should abandon the whole idea. We should actually stop using plastics for everything. That’s the correct take.
Something like 9% of plastic gets recycled.
No, I want an effective system starting with the producers of waste
Great, you not only read my mind but you are also spreading gloom about an extremely well known issue. Beautiful.
I don’t think I could have lived in society for the past 15 years without hearing about this issue at least 5 times a year, and I’m not sure what made you think otherwise.
I want change, ignoring the problem doesn’t makebthe issue go away
So if I ask what a person means with their snark, it means I want the problem to be ignored?
That’s a sad and weird way to assume shit, honestly. Because if you actually knew my view, you would know that I think about plastics fucking the human race every day of my life
I was a bit too snarky
If you even thought to say that, I can’t blame you for your original comment.
Yeah, it’s really sad how bad plastic is currently destroying our environment. Humans have to be able to see further into the future than “will I live to see the consequences of my actions? Because if not, I can’t worry about them”
I agree,
It pisses me off that you can slap a recycling logo on a plastic bottle and call it a day when the process is nearly impossible and hardy ever done.
Recycling bin > recycling lorry > container > third world country > sea.
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A landfill in your own country? How fancy!
I have always, for the entirety of their existence, hated those dumb pouches. Good riddance as far as I’m concerned.
The pouches seem like less plastic.
They have these revolutionary containers made from paper that is layered in order to make it hard and card like. Almost stiff as a board. And is capable of holding liquids and also breaks down very easily. 😒
I’m in!
What are they lined with to prevent them from getting soggy from contact with the liquid?
Probably Teflon 🤣💀
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Probably parrafin.
Take a wild guess what parrafin is made from…
Not sure if it has the same issues breaking down as plastic, but it’s still a petroleum byproduct, so we should probably be moving away from it.
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Seconded. And trying to stab the flexing surface with that weak-ass straw.
Skill issue 😉
Unironically, there’s a technique to it. I forgot how after I got older, and was genuinely frustrated trying to drink from one until I remembered how to do it.
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You have to kind of service the top edge of the hole with the tip of the straw to soften it up before you guide it the rest of the way in.
They made a really loud noise in the lunchroom if you inflated the pouch all the way, folded over the straw to seal it, then stomped on it really hard with your shoe. This was before mentally deranged people started shooting up schools though, so maybe don’t try it.
Mentally deranged people have been shooting up schools since before Capri Sun was even invented…
How old are you?
I’m not going to look it up to verify, but I’m pretty sure Capri Sun existed before Columbine.
Columbine was far from the first school shooting. According to the Washington Post:
“The first recorded school shooting in the United States was in 1853 at a schoolhouse in Louisville, Kentucky. On November 2, 1853, Matt Ward shot and killed teacher William H.G. Butler with a pistol hidden in his coat pocket.”
I know it’s not the first, I never claimed it was. But as someone who is old enough to remember what life was like before Columbine, that was the one that changed everything. That’s when we started having active shooter drills.
Then 9/11 just amplified it.
It’s that I’ve been in schools with after school activities in the last year.
Kids were popping chip bags and nobody drew weapons or jumped because of a loud pop that sounds nothing like a normal gunshot.
I was in school before columbine ever happened.
I don’t think violence in is ok in most situations. I think America has a mental health and gun issue.
I like the Capri Sun mylar things from a nostalgic perspective.
I think the very important point you’re missing is that schools did not exist in fear of school shootings before Columbine. There were no lockdown drills and crazy security measures for entering and leaving the building. So making a big loud noise would not make people instantly think someone was shooting up the school like it very well might today.
I’m not sure how I missed that from their first post. /s
I get it, you’re scared. Noone was ever scared like that before.
Edit: I looked it up, mocked a false statement and declaration of ignorance.
Got downvoted. I’m not promoting violence, I’m mocking ignorance.
I think you replied to the wrong post
And - Rudolf Wild invented the drink in 1969
I feel like I’m the only one who experienced metal bottles of Pacific cooler like 20 years ago. My mom bought them one time before realizing I went through them just as quickly as the pouches, despite them being like 4x the volume and price. They were one of the best things I ever experienced
In the United States, Kraft and its former parent company, the tobacco conglomerate Philip Morris Cos. (now Altria), have successfully marketed Capri Sun using strategies developed for selling cigarettes to children.[2] American parents often misidentify Capri Sun as healthy, and it is one of the most favorably rated brands among Generation Z Americans.
Never knew anyone thought they were healthy. I mean I’m glad there is Vitamin C in orange Hi-C, but I know on the rare occasions I drink it that it is 10lbs of sugar in a 1lb cup
The problem is right in the Wikipedia entry - its still way lower sugar than most competitors. So for an on-the-go drink, when the cup from home is dirty… Yeah its a healthier option than the others.
It doesn’t make Capri Sun good, its just the others are so sugary that its one of the better options of readily available drinks.
healthier option than the others
shops sell water my dude
Kids can get more than water, its OK to have a treat.
Right? But this only applies to Capri Sun. If it were Hi-C, you’d demand a juice box.
Also, the people who are currently in their childhood absolutely do not care. It’s just us 40+ curmudgeons that must drink Capri Sun from a pouch, Hi-C from a tiny box, and Sunny D straight from that wonky-shaped jug that won’t fit in the fridge door.
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What about purple stuff?
Purple stuff must come from a bottle shaped like a barrel with a foil lid that hides sharp edges that cut your lips
Fabuloso? The cool kids don’t drink that.
I dunno… Anytime my kids see these pouches at a store, they beg us for them. We’ve never bought them at home either. I think kids just like the novelty of drinking out of a bag.
First World Problems
A bottle that’s actually a drink vs. a pouch that’s barely a mouthful? I’m OK with that…
Yeah but kids also take much smaller sips than adults. That said, last time I drank a Capri Sun, I downed it in one squeeze and was super disappointed.
|I downed it in one squeeze and was disappointed
This was and always will be all of our experience. Child or not, this was and is the only way
A 30 Pack of pouches was sold for like 0.05 to 0.20 USD per fluid oz.
They sell large 96 fl oz bottles at roughly 0.30 USD per fluid oz, so you’re actually getting less drink with bottles as things stand currently.
YAY! More plastic!!!
I imagine it’s pretty much the same amount of plastic as they’ve always had.
The correct choice would have been paper/cardboard bottles, which is easier to recycle
Juice boxes have a plastic lining, which is still better for the environment but not necessarily easier to recycle.
Bottles are 80% more plastic than pouches and cost more. The only good part is those pouches are not usually recyclable at all and sometimes bottles get recycled.
“Sometimes” feels a bit generous. From a quick search I can find estimates that 5-9% of all plastic is recycled. It might be higher or lower depending on the specific kinds of plastic these bottles use, but most of it is probably ending up in a landfill anyways.
I was being generous. Aluminum, steel & glass are the only materials that get regularly recycled. All the others are usually trashed, even if you sent them to recycling.
Technically a shift from Mylar to PET might be more environmentally friendly, but yeah I would prefer cans or cardboard box drinks, you know: the ol waxed paperboard beverage carton
It’s probably paraffin wax they use, which is basically plastic.
Absolutely plastic lined all, I was just trying to be descriptive since that packaging type doesn’t seem to have any unique identifying names.
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No it’s not structurally “plastic” but it’s not biodegradable or reusable which is the point at hand so I think it was a reasonable comparison. (I also said “basically plastic” which clearly indicates similarity rather than equation)
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Meh, I’m well into my 40s and solidly don’t give a shit.
I’m proud of you! Letting go of your childhood nostalgia and stop regarding it as an unachievable goal and safe place to return to is a first step towards maturity!
But the original package seems like such an efficient way to injest micro-plastics. I hope the bottles have the annoying safety rings that are hard for people to open because they probably also produce micro-plastics.
I can’t speak for how the different materials degrade over time, but at least the old mylar bags were shielded from sunlight.
They were polyester-reverse side printed to aluminum then laminated to polyethylene.
Now this is a controversial thread
