Fuck trump and all but he literally did not say he would stop all electric car sales. He said he would stop all sales of Chinese brand cars manufactured in Mexico.
Source: The speech linked by the NYT article that Gizmodo/jalopnik references
https://www.youtube.com/live/XGJwCUHVgc0?si=O_c0epZoYWO1Owf0
The “you’re not going to be able to sell those cars” line is about 32 minutes in.
Thank you.
That Gizmodo article is HORRIBLY written up and there never actually mention the quote outside of the blurb beneath the headline so the lack of context had me questioning them. Pretty shitty reporting.
They are just trying to one-up each other as always. Children in old-man bodies.
Which is funny since Biden has the exact same position, which is why he expanded on Trump’s trade war with China by upping tariffs on EVs to 100%. I highly doubt Biden would let China do the Mexico workaround either, if he can help it.
Did China even produce anything in Mexico, my understanding is that they want to produce everything internally.
BYD and at least one or two others are/will be.
They’re trying to bring the European side of manufacturing to Hungary. We Hungarians are unhappy about it, because they get subsidized like hell.
What’s with that?
I recently read an article that he is allowing to install China’s face tracking cameras in Hungary. I first thought that he was installing it for his own benefit and just got the technology from China, but this actually will be used by China.
While I might grasp his unexplained love for putin, this looks like just selling your country to foreign autocracies.
Well, a lot of boomers think office work isn’t real work, a deadweight on the economy, and will turn kids gay thus not making (great-)grandchildren due to not getting dirty and having an air conditioner. The previous system somehow reproduced the toxic Calvinist work morals of capitalist countries, and not only the politically illiterate calls this kind of behavior “communism”, but there’s a very big number of the pensioners, whose votes can be bought by promising more underpaid manual labor to their (grand)children.
The camera thing might be him getting more and more afraid. He’s losing popularity, and even if he crushes popular movements (often by “doomerism”), there are more and more popping up. If the AI bubble burst (which will cause a financial recession) or some of his allies will fall, he can also fall too. He’s a paranoid maniac that goes everywhere in a bullet vest. He just loves his fellow autocrats, especially as he can work together with them.
Aren’t those already banned by Biden?
100% tariff on cars imported from China makes them unsellable. However there’s a free trade agreement with Mexico so GM and Ford can use the cheap labor.
Many people have pointed that out as a loophole and BYD has announced a factory on Mexico. If we wanted to block importing Chinese cars from Mexico, while still allowing GMs and Fords, we’d have to take additional action. This just means both candidates have vowed they would
As you said, this would require an additional action.
And to me it looks like it can’t be done by EO and would have to be a legislation. And during trump very few legislations got passed even when they had a majority.
The restrictions on sale through Mexico can be implemented when it actually is a problem.
I found an article where they announced a factory in Mexico, but it first have to be built. The news also appears to be before the sanctions were announced. So if that factory was meant for US market this could change their plans, as adding 100% sanctions signals determination to plugin other loopholes.
Articles like this are exactly how fake news gets traction.
It’s so damn annoying. I’m not sure how algorithms are supposed to suppress BS alarmist articles without being accused of bias either.
This is a great article to fact check the crapnout of, but because people like the “facts” it gets a pass.
I mean to be fair, the Chinese EVs are largely fake…
But, EVs in general are still the way of the future.
I mean to be fair, the Chinese EVs are largely fake…
What does that even mean?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ9hrB8RxFA&list=PL7Jmz7UMvd9HtUALvojvaA_RazWI0yy8U&index=1 Here’s a show for ya
Basically, China has a bad habit of faking technological innovations as a PR stunt, with many of their Electric Vehicles being explosive combustion engines made to look EV to outsiders.
They have also claimed to have revived Karl Marx as an AI who “revealed” that he was “totally chinese the whole time”
I’m sure they put a 100% tax on them because once you pop the hood the engine is 4 hamsters in wheels and everyone who drove these cars are paid CCP actors.
Trains…
Which are electric, so…
Looks like he’s going after two items:
- EV tax credits
- Tailpipe emissions
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Go home, red deer. You’re drunk. Again.
Alberta, the lowest IQ in Canada.
That’s some pretty good bait. I would have left out the part about paying their fair share for fuel and gas infrastructure because that’s a giveaway.
The alternative to this style would be to come at it sideways as “let the free market decide, and it’ll die out because…” then list off some talking points about how much fun it is to roll coal on anyone on a bicycle.
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For anyone actually believing this, in Alberta the gas taxes go to the general fund. Vehicle registration, provincial income, and federal income taxes are where the vast majority of public infrastructure money comes from.
Plus notice how this particular troll was unsubtle about moving the goalposts from fuel infrastructure to road infrastructure.
In addition, now they’re talking about taxing them instead of outright banning them and using the weasel word “unless” while being incorrect instead of being authoritative and incorrect.
Come on, this was worse than before. 2/10. Get your shit together if you’re going to troll.
You’re leading Canada in the race to which province can demonstrate the most short-sighted stupidity, that’s for sure.
Donald Trump versus Elon Musk
Biden can’t do anything because the president isn’t a king, but every stupid idea that Trump has is apparently going to happen.
Not going to happen, necessarily, but it’s brazen corruption and it shows you that he’ll do what he can to impede EVs.
When someone tells you who they are, believe them. Trump has told us repeatedly he wants to be a right-wing dictator.
He can want things all he likes. Aren’t we ruled by law? Isn’t that why the Democrats can’t seem to do anything? Why is that law so fragile when conservatives want something and so adamantine when Democrats want something?
Because some of those who work forces, are the same that burn crosses.
Republicans also have a large and growing fan base, fueled by their strides to dismantle and destroy the educational system, thus making people easier to sway/fool, keep busy, and keep under their boots.
Pretty simple.
Ah, because Americans are violent idiots.
A certain segment of them are, yea. Don’t pretend the entire country is though.
If our government represents us then as a whole we are violent idiots. If not per capita then per square foot, which is the only metric that matters.
Total non sequitur - obvious troll. See ya bud
Because the law works on precedent and enforcement. You are allowed to do anything if people don’t stop you. We’ll see if NY is ready to stop Trump’s bullshit.
This is the violence inherent in the system.
It’s fundamentally easier to do things when Congress licks your boots, who knew.
Maybe Elon Musk responding might actually tip the scales in a good direction for a change.
Donald Trump says random bullshit he cannot deliver on, that will appeal to his most rabid supporters.
The Biden Tariffs have way more impact on total EVs sales than reducing the EV credit to $0. The tariff blocks $6k EVs from enter the US, the credits just knocks $7.5k off a $50k car.
Like I get that us here in the United States are wary of Chinese things, but let’s all be honest, American car companies aren’t going to produce a sub $20k EV anytime soon. LiFePO₄ batteries have been a thing for some time now, the excuse the batteries are the main cost of the car is faux argument that US makers just aren’t ready to stop subsidizing their other vehicle platforms with EV sales.
Trump’s arguments won’t do shit no matter which side of the aisle you sit. The thing killing wide adoption in the US of EVs is the US EV makers.
US makers just aren’t ready to stop subsidizing their other vehicle platforms with EV sales
US carmakers aren’t subsidizing their other vehicle sales with EV sales. They’re literally losing money on every EV sale. If anything it’s the polar opposite. Tesla is the only company thus far that has figured out how to build a profitable EV.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a60621256/ford-ev-revenue-losses-q1-2024/ https://fortune.com/2024/04/24/gm-earnings-beat-gas-ev-electric-trucks-profitable/
It’s not that the other companies can’t figure out how to make a profitable EV, it’s just that they only dip their feet in the water. Giant SUVs and petrol economics are a hard drug to shake.
He gets fuller of shit by the day
He’s like a new Kaney West
It is hard to believe this moron has a chance of being president again. We are a doomed country.
I don’t know.
I’m perplexed honestly.
I live in italy and here too government took a steep turn to the right since last elections.
It is like the most roborantly bamboozling idiocy someone from a stage can scream the more he gets applauded as the folks’ hero for speaking their unsung voices.
On the other hand if you try to build an organic and critical dialogue you only get yawned away as utterly boring.
I don’t think it is the ones screaming from their stages being the morons, well not the most moron at least, but instead they are those who give their precious votes, hard conquered from their ancestors who gift them with a life in a democracy, to these unambiguously unmistakable frauds, and who hide in the self-obliviousness of the guilty conscience for the vote they have cast their incapability of admitting their own deep existential self-inadequacy.
Lots of people are incredibly stupid. Many of those stupid people are also selfish and mean. It will always be easy to appeal to those people by blaming all their problems on others. Until science figures out a way to force on the empathy parts of our brains, we’ll go through these cycles of stupid people cheering on fascism.
It was hard to believe the last time…
Don’t let the media and talking heads convince you of anything.
There are a great majority of people who want nothing to do with Trump, his Russian bootlicking or any of his other xenophobic hate.
Just vote.
Exactly, and even if it might seem like your single vote doesn’t matter, you would be surprised. trump won in 2016 because disinformation on social media convinced people that their vote won’t change anything and Hillary will win anyway.
Also vote at least every 2 years, it isn’t just the president that matters, the Congress is important too
Congress is more imortant than the president by the looks from an outsider.
How is the house reps elected in the USA?
By district, which is all the voters in a smaller geographic area. House Reps are up for re election every 2 years. The intent of the House is to give more representatives to states with higher populations, so for example New York has 26 representatives while Kansas only has 4.
However, instead of purely representing population, the number of House reps has been capped at 435, which weighs heavily in favor of less populated (Republican) states. If that cap was removed, Democrats would have a permanent lock on the House.
Thanks!
But the system is rigged so that a relatively small minority of morons can fuck shit up for everybody else. So yeah, guys, vote like your life depends on it because it literally does.
And those of us who are voting and get elected will, and have been, continue to stop vote rigging, jerrymandering, and voter intimidation.
Voting doesn’t end at the end of the presidential election. It involves your local elections too. Especially anything to do with your local educational system.
It’s not a relatively small minority. Trump has lost the popular vote every time he’s run, but not by huge margins. There are a lot of people that legitimately want Trump as a president, and many more that view him as the lesser of two evils. Don’t underestimate that and definitely don’t let down your guard.
Only about 30% of people vote in the US and half of that is 15%. So, pretty small.
He’s the Republican nominee. What do you mean by letting “the media and talking heads convince you of anything?” Based on the previous two presidential elections, he’s got a 50/50 shot which says a lot about his opponent.
In what world does the number of candidates have anything to do with hundred of millions of peoples independent votes.
This is just bad stats
In this world. He already won one election and came very close to winning the second back in 2020. Combine that with yet another weak-ass Dem candidate being the only other option and you have a recipe where it’s entirely possible for him to win again.
You’re comparing apples to oranges here. The circumstances have changed since 2020 and to ignore 4 years of hearings, charges, additional threats (much less vague now) and libertarian distain for trump is significantly different from what it was when he ran in 2016, and when he had that momentum in 2020 (Covid year, don’t forget)
Donald Trump is going to bite the curb this election and I’ll bet you a bunch of people still vote for RFK.
And now he’s been charged with 30+ felonies.
#LockHimUp
Yeah this sounds a lot like pollsters claiming that Clinton had a 99% chance of winning in 2016.
Biden seems to be going out of his way to alienate progressive voters and conservative voters will never vote for him. The ‘fence sitters’ who don’t pay attention to politics will simply see inflation and high prices and blame whomever is currently holding office due to all the conditioning and rhetoric they hear regarding it.
Any election should see a guy like Trump defeated in a landslide, but that’s not the reality we live in and the guy running against him is doing such a poor job that Trump might actually win again.
I agree with your final paragraph. He isn’t a perfect candidate.
But I don’t think there will ever be a perfect candidate and when they’re running against a literal fascist dictator, I know who I will vote for. I’ve said this before but a primarily 2-party system is dangerously naïve. Simplifying the insanely complex reality that is the US into 2 options is stupid. Not to mention how much it alienates minorities (of all types not just race, religion, sex)
How are we to represent down to the minority level via a popular-vote. It doesn’t make sense to me.
The world where out of the 400 RNC candidates filed through the FEC, Trump was the one that people have been voting for in the primaries by a landslide.
There were 161 Million total registered voters in 2022, and 335 Million total USA Population, so even if tens of millions of people, a comparatively small fraction, vote for Donald Trump then he can very easily win this election.
If he wasn’t running, republicans would put some other gullible fucking idiot in office.
This is just naked corruption, making promises to the oil execs he’s been trying to curry favor with, right? Because apart from that - the thing that might put more money in Trump’s pocket - I can’t fathom what the point would be.
It’s a double win for him. Yes, he’s courting automakers and the oil and gas industry, so this gets him that, but a giant percentage of his base is simply against anything that liberals are for. Think of those idiots rolling coal. They’re literally making their cars as polluting as possible. What do they gain from it? The only thing it does, besides contributing to climate change, is upset liberals, and that’s the goal. Every one of those people will support this.
I think you’re overanalyzing things.
He’s a liar and a con man and he’s just telling his supporters what they want to hear. Tomorrow, he’ll tell his other supporters that he’s going to do the exact opposite because that’s what they want to hear. There is no consistency or underlying ideal other than telling people what they want to hear so that he can get more support.
To “own da libz.”
He’s pandering to the section of his base who all drive lifted coal rollin’ diesel trucks who all know that “everyone knows” electric vehicle owners are all avocado toast eating homosexuals who vote Democrat.
He’s begged the oil industry to come up with a $1b donation for his “campaign”, this is the reach around if they make it happen.
Please, free market capitalists: defend your hero.
Gotta imagine there’s a free speech absolutist who doesn’t love this
They’re not a car company anyway, they’re a “robotics and AI company”. Apparently.
I’m not sure Pelosi would call Trump her “hero”
Does Pelosi call herself a free market capitalist?
Did you read the article I linked?
No, because it says ‘page unavailable’ when I try.
Now please answer my question.
Not sure why you’re being so pushy?
Anyway, here’s the correct link. It should answer your question…
https://apnews.com/article/business-nancy-pelosi-congress-8685e82eb6d6e5b42413417f3d5d6775
Asking you a question then asking you to answer it when you don’t is hardly being pushy.
But the answer is that no, she doesn’t call herself that, she just says that this is a free market. So I’m not sure why you couldn’t just say so.
I don’t think she is calling herself a free market capitalist.
Though I agree, she is being cheeky. This isn’t a free market, it’s the opposite of it. It is insider trading and she and no one in Congress should be allowed to do that.
That’s a funny way to get the auto companies and unions in the three states Biden really needs to go all in on Biden.
I’m confused. Both of them seem to be trying to lose this election.
Why? Better margins on gas cars, I think industrial Michigan would love this because it means they won’t be squeezed into electric car manufacturing. I get told by big 3 engineers that if it wasn’t for the subsidies they wouldn’t be electrifying their fleets. The consumer may not like it, unions may not like it, but the companies could give a damn.
I get told by big 3 engineers that if it wasn’t for the subsidies they wouldn’t be electrifying their fleets.
We’ve been subsidizing ICE vehicles for the better part of the last century. Famously, Bush Jr passed enormous tax cuts for SUVs and other “light trucks” back in 2003.
Congress recently passed a tax bill, as proposed in President Bush’s economic stimulus plan, that offers a $100,000 tax credit for business owners who purchase any vehicle weighing 6,000 pounds or more when fully loaded.
Because these rules didn’t require a business to exist for a minimum length of time or post a profit, car dealerships would help buyers spin up small businesses on the spot in order to avail themselves of the credit. SUVs flooded the market and have been a load on the national car fleet ever since.
Now we’re pivoting to electric vehicles in order to stay competitive globally, and (fossil fuel endorsed) business magazines have suddenly started poo-pooing the idea of vehicle subsidies as unnatural. Curious.
I answered that in the first post. Better margins on ice, thats why businesses ‘suddenly’ don’t like the current subsidies we have.
Yeah, that corporate tax credit is also why the Ford F-150 is the most commonly purchased vehicle by millionaires and billionaires. It’s the smallest vehicle able to be classified as a work truck, to qualify for tax credits. They can basically deduct the entire cost of the vehicle on their taxes, because they purchase it through a shell corporation (of which they’re the sole owner and operator.)
Brewster’s Millions gets more and more realistic by the day.
Vote “none of the above.”
