• @kescusay@lemmy.world
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    My son is trans. Please vote for Joe Biden so he can have the protections he needs and I don’t have to stay up at night worrying about him.

    • Tiefling IRL
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      I’ve been a trans woman for 10 years and an immigrant for much longer. This is one of the worst existential threats I’ve faced. I have had to sit down and discuss serious contingency plans with my partner if he wins because there is no chance I’m sticking around.

      I just want to exist dammit. I’m tired of being persecuted for simply existing.

    • @jeffw@lemmy.worldOPM
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      Friendly reminder that everyone who believes in accelerationist BS is privileged af.

      Looking at you, Hexbear… and Lemmy.ml people who deleted my comments yesterday calling out Hexbear as tankies

      Sadly, the behavior isn’t limited to certain instances though

      • @MagicPterodactyl@lemmy.ml
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        Hey not everyone from ml is a dipshit. Some of us just stumbled into ml because it was a stable and popular instance when we joined.

        Hexbear on the other hand? I don’t think you would just accidentally join that place, at least not without getting banned the first time you say something against their pro fascist hive mind.

        • @jeffw@lemmy.worldOPM
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          I just had another comment on ml deleted today for saying some people on ml are bootlickers. Becoming less and less of a fan lately

        • @prayer@sh.itjust.works
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          The idea that we cannot have real change without some for of revolution, so we should make things go to their extreme, and cause some kind of cultural revolution.

          • @Gigasser@lemmy.world
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            No, it’s people who think accelerating the country into a hyper capitalist fascist hellhole will lead to the accelerated collapse of the capitalist system. Then revolution will bring the promised land to them. Of course they don’t realize that collapse isn’t necessarily guaranteed.

          • @ramble81@lemm.ee
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            I see. I understand that as a path, but that seems like the “option of last resort” to me, and these guys want to make it the proposed one?

            • TherouxSonfeir
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              Fake communists. Hexbears. It’s just Anarchy, but the “fuck everything” type of anarchy.

              I understand the frustration and desire to burn everything down, but I just think that’s lazy and won’t end up working at all.

              • @Eldritch@lemmy.world
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                Those are just nihilist. Actual anarchist generally aren’t the fuck shit up kind. Those are generally angsty young teens with very little understanding.

                You are however 100% right about lemmy.ml. hexbear and Lemmygrad. They are all Marxist leninist. Which was an ill-conceived transitory authoritarian style anti communist government that was supposed to facilitate the build up to and transition to communism. But not communist itself. Which has failed everywhere it’s ever been tried. Much like capitalism if you go by it’s stated goals and ideals.

                They love to blather on and on and on about communism and how great and wonderful it would be. And it would be. But everything they do is actually in opposition to it so they are very much fake/ performatory communists.

                • TherouxSonfeir
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                  To be politely pedantic, while I agree generally, in the defense of nihilists, not all of them want to actively burn it down. They just don’t care and nothing matters. It’s the unique combination of anger and anti-establishment that makes the type of person we are talking about. And if they care enough to burn it down, I’d argue they can’t be a nihilist by definition.

                • Mossy Feathers (She/They)
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                  I hate that “Marxism-Leninism” refers to the brand of communism and socialism that Stalin practiced. It should be called “Stalinism”. From the little I know about Marx and Lenin is that Marx had some good ideas and while Lenin had some bad policies, he also had a genuine interest in trying to do what was best for Russia. Meanwhile Stalin let millions starve.

                  Also Marxist-Leninism is doomed to fail imo. I believe that in order for socialism to truly succeed, you must ensure that the world’s leading countries practice socialism; or at least ensure that your country is capable of fulfilling every step in the supply chain for any given good for now and the future, either by itself or via allies. Attempting to do it on your own like Marxist-Leninism suggests, is a road to failure because capitalism will attempt to starve you (and likely succeed at doing so).

                  Capitalism is inherently opposed to socialism because the true end game of capitalism is for an individual, or group of individuals, to own everything. However, they can’t own everything if a country’s culture is opposed to that form of selfishness. Additionally, the capitalist’s peasants might get funny ideas if they see a country based on mutual goodwill succeeding. Stalin played right into the hands of capitalists. He deserves to have the inherently flawed and doomed-to-fail ideology named after him.

                  Fuck, I barely got any sleep last night and I can’t tell if I’m being coherent or not. Additionally, now I have a conspiracy theory that this was all intentional. Tying a form of socialism that was oppressive and doomed to fail to Marx and Lenin was an intentional move by capitalists to conflate Stalin’s garbage with a legitimate desire and attempt to create a better world. By doing so, you create the belief that even Lenin and Marx supported oppression and that oppression is therefore inherently a part of socialism and communism. As such, by calling themselves Marxist-Leninists, they are falling into a trap created by capitalists to defame such ideologies like communism and socialism.

                  Also I wanted to make a comment about how capitalism is like economic heroin or something: extremely enticing and addictive; but I’ve got no clue where to put it.

    • @0110010001100010@lemmy.world
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      I am very good friends with a trans women who I worked with for a number of years. She is seriously considering leaving the US because of this bullshit. So yes, please vote for Biden.

      Also, I hope you son is doing well! It’s a hell of a process.

      • Mossy Feathers (She/They)
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        I want to leave the US but I honestly don’t know how. I have no idea if I have any skills that’d let me get hired by a non-us company, which is kinda what’s necessary to immigrate to another country, right?

        • @daltotron@lemmy.world
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          there’s also the idea that you go to a college, possibly a community college, and then transfer to an out of country college for the degree, which I have heard is a great way to be able to live in a country, acclimate, and work from there

      • Lemminary
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        My best friend is trans and he’s considering doing the same. It’s so bullshit that he has to leave an entire life behind because the conservatwats are so hateful.

        • @smeenz@lemmy.nz
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          It’s slightly comforting to think that after they’ve forced every group out of the country with their hatred and vitriol, they’ll eventually start eating themselves.

  • sarcasticsunrise
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    I can’t believe we exist in such a bastardized backwards timeline where someone like Donald Trump can be lording over us again. If not for my wife I’d be taking my retail related boxcutter to my throat

      • Nah we will want you around. Even if he does win, we aren’t going to take it lying down. We showed Trump day 1 in 2017 that we weren’t going to take his shit, and if we have to do it again in 2025, so be it. And we’ll need your help for that. More importantly, we want your company. What are we fighting for, if not for each other?

    • @jeffw@lemmy.worldOPM
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      Even if your wife isn’t there for you one day, we’re here for you. I’m here for you. You matter.

      • @nomous@lemmy.world
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        We’re going to need molotov-fillers and medics if he wins again so please stick around for awhile longer.

    • Prior_Industry
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      And yet there are people saying they cant vote for Biden due to the Israel conflict. Madness.

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    Here we go again and again on this repeat episode of Hold Your Nose And Vote For Joe Where as Joe is enacting and upholding protections for the LGBTQ community, Trump is only too happy to repeal that shit so fast. Not only that, but big boi Trump also has alluded to glassing Iran, which is way further than Biden has escalated towards. Biden is sadly, our current cold comfort here. We’re stuck between a rock and a slightly more malleable corrupt WW3 causing dipshit rock

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      Trump is only too happy to repeal that shit so fast. Not only that, but big boi Trump also has alluded to glassing Iran

      I’m convinced that he really doesn’t care one way or another. He only cares about telling his base whatever he thinks will get them worked up.

      He wants power, and will tell people whatever he thinks will cause them to give it to them.

      • @Zacryon@lemmy.wtf
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        Thank you for the reference! Learnt something new. As far as I’ve read, the Overton window is not just that, but describes a general window of acceptable ideas or propositions. Of course, influenced by possible (public) majorities.

        • It does describe a window, yes.

          But the implication is that if you think of the political spectrum between left and right, then the largest 2 parties will always align themselves immediately to the left and the right of the median - the centre point of contemporary politics.

          Move that point (through voting) and you move the policies.

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            This sounds like a fantasy.

            I’ve voted Democrat my whole life, yet the dems keep moving to the right, and the overton window keeps moving to the right along with them.

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                Yes of course, but that’s not really relevant to the broader point here.

                Democrats have won more elections than Republicans, yet they have moved to the right. So what will it take to move them left?

                The person I replied to suggested that voting can move the Dems left, but I disagree. At a national level, the Dems have been captured by corporate money.

                They understand the best way to get votes is through advertising dollars, and the best way to get dollars is corporate fundraising. Other countries call this corruption, but here we call it free speech.

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                  Democrats have won more elections than Republicans, yet they have moved to the right. So what will it take to move them left?

                  They haven’t won enough. If people like Bernie are still losing primaries because “commies won’t win general elections” and Dems still have to go for the “middle-of-the-road” candidate while Republicans can prop up the literal antichrist, that means they still haven’t won enough to cause a shift.

                  Once they get enough wins (possibly in a row) that Republicans are the ones forced to go for a “middle-of-the-road” candidate, that’s when Dems will actually have to act as a left wing party to get votes.

                  EDIT: also, unless I miscounted, Dems actually have less wins than Republicans post-FDR.

      • @masquenox@lemmy.world
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        The more people vote for the left,

        LOL!

        What left?

        Where is this “left” that you assume exists within the US’s formal political establishment?

        • You seem to have missed my point entirely.

          The left I’m referring to is obviously the democrats. They may not seem very “left”, but they are left compared to the GOP.

          My point is, the more people vote for them, the further left the entire spectrum will shift.

          • @masquenox@lemmy.world
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            You seem to have missed my point entirely.

            No liberal - I haven’t. Your attempt to pretend that there’s anything that can be called “left” in the US political establishment is just that… a pretension. Trump is “left” of Hitler - you want to pretend that Trump is (somehow) “left” now, too?

            If you are going to talk about the Dems, do so without attempts at misleading people over what the Dems really are - the “good cop” in the little anti-democratic gaslighting game that US formal politics has always been. There is nothing “left” about them and never has been.

            • You’ve either misunderstood me, are willfully ignorant, or not very bright.

              The term left is by it’s very nature, relative. Any person with two hands will have a left-most and a right-most hand. We omit “most” from left-most because it’s superfluous. Just because a person is standing to your right, does not mean that one of their two hands is not their left-most hand. If that person moves to your left, the inverse is also true.

              If the “center” of the political spectrum is too far to the right for your liking, then you can drag it back closer to what you would like by voting for the left-most major party.

              If you’re driving a car and it’s drifting into the ditch on the right side of the road you haul on the left side of the steering wheel. Imagine giving up saying “well I can turn left or right but that seems pointless because I really want to be over there. Instead I’ll just pout and roll into the ditch.”

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          If you instead compare then on a morality scale, right now we have slightly evil vs. very evil. But there is no good.

          • @masquenox@lemmy.world
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            But there is no good.

            Duh. That’s why the term “left” does not apply to anything in establishment politics - and any attempts to pretend that it does is pure propaganda.

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          For fuck sake that was literally the point of their comment you fool. At least look up what the Overton Window is before coming in this hot because you look like an idiot.

          • @masquenox@lemmy.world
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            Oh look… another liberal has shown up to loudly display their political incompetence and expecting to be rewarded for it.

            Yawn.

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              I’m not a liberal. Learn what words mean. You’re confidently arguing about things you are clearly ignorant of

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                I’m not a liberal.

                Good thing you told me - otherwise I might have been fooled by your liberal blathering, eh?

                Read real careful-like, (supposed) “non-liberal” - you cannot - I repeat cannot - move the Overton window left by voting for right-wingers.

                That shouldn’t be too hard for a “non-liberal” to understand, should it?

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                  you cannot - I repeat cannot - move the Overton window left by voting for right-wingers.

                  Yes you can. You can lower the temperature of something by pouring over it something hot, but less hot than what you’re trying to cool down.

                  In the same way, voting for a right-winger over a far right-winger will shift the Overton window to the left. Because left and right are relative terms, like the other guy was trying to say.

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                  You’re brain has been so broken by the bullshit “liberal/conservative” dichotomy fed to you by cable news that you don’t even know what words mean.

                  Liberals are center right conservatives. Calling a progressive a liberal is an insult.

                  I seriously implore you to try to inform yourself as to what these words mean. Calling someone who is borderline socialist a “liberal” immediately betrays your ignorance about politics.

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        The problem is that there isn’t a left to vote for, you either vote for right or far-right. That’s why the ratchet effect exists, both parties are right wing, just separated in how extreme they are, with the Reps being overt fascists.

        Actual leftist change is not going to come from voting for liberals. Absolutely vote for Biden if you wish, this isn’t an argument against voting for him. However, if you think voting for a right winger will shift the overton window to the left, you don’t understand the nuances of the overton window.

        Actual leftist change comes from direct action and organizing. Strikes, mutual aid, canvassing, raising class awareness, spreading leftist theory, protesting, actual outside pressure is what changes the overton window.

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          The problem is that there isn’t a left to vote for

          In the current American political spectrum, there isn’t really anything that most other countries would recognize as “left”.

          But given the current binary reality, whatever the Democrats are is viewed as left of the GOP rightwingnuts.

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            Please reread my comment. The Democrats are less right wing than the Republicans, yes, but voting for them signals more liberalism, not more leftism.

        • If there’s a spectrum between left and right, then there’s a point on that spectrum in the center of how the populace feels. If you have two major parties they will naturally arrange themselves immediately to the left and the right of that point. They have to in order to gather up as many undecideds as possible - they will naturally win everyone further left or further right who is not an idiot.

          Voting moves this center point along the spectrum. The ratchet effect pulls to the right only because that’s the trajectory over the last few decades. If the trajectory was to the left in recent decades the inverse would be true.

          Direct action and organising might also move the center point along the spectrum, but not as much as voting, and only if voting reflects the results of direct action.

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            None of that is actual analysis, it’s all vibes-based. The parties will serve those that fund them.

            • Actually it’s well established and well understood political science, ironically you’re just rejecting it as “vibes-based” because you don’t like the vibe.

              Yes political donations are a problem, but the inescapable fact is, the more people that vote for the dems, the more they will move to the left.

              Sadly, your position is precisely that which conservative proponents would have you adopt. Well done.

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                No, the Dems will never become Socialist, as they would lose funding and thus power. It takes a lot to run a party, after all.

                Leftist change has always happened thanks to outside pressure.

                I’m not telling you not to vote, I’m telling you voting will never be enough.

                • Well… it’s true that the dems “will never become socialist” due to voting but it’s also true that America will never become socialist due to activism.

                  Socialism to any meaningful extent is not achievable in the foreseeable.

                  Voting is the most efficacious method by which to effect meaningful change.

  • @TengoHipo@lemm.ee
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    He says a lot of things. A lot of it is verbal diarrhea to keep his crazy followers to keep following.

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      He won’t even get to it. The moment he’s elected he’ll probably die or something. Fascist would take power. Then everyone who’s not straight white and only does missionary sex will be sent off to the camps.

      • Kühe sind toll
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        Fascist would take power. Then everyone who’s not straight white and only does missionary sex will be sent off to the camps.

        that’s going to happen anyway if Trump wins.

    • @Bytemeister@lemmy.world
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      Whine, post misspelled toilet rage tweets, sell/accidentally blab national secrets to our adversaries… Yah know, the usual entitled baby who gets put in charge stuff.

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    I don’t get it. Well I do. But I’ve yet to have a satisfactory conservative response to the following :

    Intersex people exist. That is, at least 1 out of every 1,750 babies are born with both sexual organs. Therefore by their existence we know that there is a blurred line between genders and those people exist there. Even if I go along with them that transgender behavior is a mental illness (it’s not, this is just a thought experiment), what exactly do they propose we do about intersex individuals who are literally neither male nor female?

    1 out of 1,750 would put the intersex population in the United States at approximately 194,000 individuals. For reference, that would be about 10% of the population of Nebraska or Idaho. That’s how many people I am discussing and who seem to always be left out of the conversation.

    • @azertyfun@sh.itjust.works
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      Well do I have exactly the brand new 1h37min queer video essay for you!

      TL;DW: The modern concept of gender as separate from sex was not (originally) a progressive move. It was conservatives’ reaction to the medical discoveries of the nebulous nature of biological sex, to justify imposing the gender binary on trans people and especially intersex children.

      Conservatives claim to care a lot about protecting trans kids from “radical decisions”, but the places that enact legislation to prevent teenagers from using puberty blockers are the same places that still allow and encourage mutilating surgeries on intersex babies.
      It is not an accident. It is ideologically consistent with conservatives’ drive to impose their religious and cultural vision of the binary gender as a completely fixed universal truth, and they’ll use extreme violence to ensure it remains binary, fixed and universal.

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      You’ll never get one, because it’s not a logical position. It’s just hateful.

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        Yeah, that is scary. Chosen by whom? I’d imagine if anyone reading this paused and thought, “If I was that baby, who would I want to make that choice?” I think everyone would pick themselves. Men reading this would wanna pick male and women reading this would wanna pick female.

        Anyway it’s fun to think about. But I’m done thinking.

        I’m really stoned and ranty. Bed time.

        Thanks for the chat!

      • @smeenz@lemmy.nz
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        Exactly. Being able to blame their problems on ‘other people’ is the basis of their identity.

    • HopeOfTheGunblade
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      Oh, they include it in the bills that ban trans care: continue forcing “corrective” surgery on intersex people. That kind of surgery on the genitals of children is always exempted from the trans care bans.

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        That seems so cruel, I don’t get it at all. Sorry you triggered another rant, I’m not shouting at you I’m just shouting, lol.

        Using conservative logic, should the babies, made by God, not be left as He made them?

        It also seems cruel to mutilate a child born between genders before they have the opportunity to come of age and know who they are. I’ve heard multiple accounts of intersex people, who the doctor removed one of their sexual organs then become suicidal when they reach adulthood because they essentially feel like a castrated man, or the female equivalent.

        Just imagine you were born and had your sexual organs removed as a baby, how would you feel? Pause and imagine living life castrated. If I invest 3 seconds of thought into that, I conclude, “Nah, best not risk doing that to someone, if I was born that way I’d certainly prefer a choice. Let’s let them grow up first.”

        Does being conservative simply require a lack of imagination about these things? It seems so obvious.

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          Circumcisioning infants is pretty fucked up in my book too.

          Saw myself naked on DMT in a mirror. The nerves remember that shit.

          Imagine, first thing you coming to the world and your parents have part of you cut off. We treat infants this way everyday in the U.S.

          Yet, zero moral panic from the Right. Because this is about stoking the fires of prejudice. And not saving children or whatever other bullshit the latest demogogue uses to target transpeople.

        • Tiefling IRL
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          conservative logic

          These two words do not go together. There is your problem.

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    So…I’m a Christian and still can’t for the life of me understand the appeal of these vicious, hateful positions.

    I’m even pretty direct-to-the-bible in my theology, thus the ideas that we are “fearfully and wonderfully made,” and that God doesn’t make mistakes, lead me to believe that choosing a different gender than you were born with is probably missing out on God’s best for us.

    Yet despite some common ground with the “religious right”, I’m still to this day completely at a loss as to how you would get from literally anything you find in the bible to encouraging or applauding the removal of protections for very at-risk persons.

    I promise, you can not read the Bible as a serious undertaking and arrive where these people have.

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      None of these people have read the bible, probably never even opened one. Their beliefs are the culmination of their echo chamber of ignorance - what their social peers have told them is ‘in the bible’.

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      If god doesn’t make mistakes then the existence of trans people is not a mistake but rather a test of basic regard and compassion or something of the sorts.

      There’s one word in what you said that’s the lynchpin: “choice”. Trans people don’t choose to be trans. Who the fuck would choose to be dysphoric.

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        Yeah exactly, trans people don’t choose to be trans; they choose to treat their dysphoria. When they don’t, they often die.

        The medically proven effective and successful ways to do that include transitioning, hormone treatment, etc…

        Medically proven ineffective ways are what republicans push for and is what’s happening all across the US: conversion therapy, denying gender dysphoria exists at all, public shame and ridicule, exclusion from society by eliminating housing, employment, and other non-discrimination protections, painting trans people as delusional/dangerous, denial of healthcare, having the state take trans children away from their parents, claiming “transness” is a social contagion, trying to criminalize being trans in schools and in public by banning dressing in a way that’s not stereotypical or traditional for one’s sex/gender, and mocking the 40% suicide rate among trans people that are denied care and lack social support.

    • I suggest you make a more thorough reading of the Bible. The vitriol and hatred of what you call the “religious right” isn’t too far off if you compare it to the pettiness of Yaweh through the Old Testament, often killing hundreds or thousands of people, when not provoking absolute catastrophes, just to punish the deeds of one person or a few, or even simply due to his fragile ego.

      You sound like a person with much better moral values, however. It would just be strange to me that you’d choose to worship that character when you’re clearly more inclined towards tolerance, provided you’re familiar enough with Christianism.

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      I’m sorry but this logic doesn’t make sense to me. If everyone is perfect the way they are, then Trump is also perfect the way he is, and he is a monster in disguise, far from remotely acceptable.

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        He is perfect. What you need to realise to see that is that his purpose in life is to be a warning example to others. Actually, about 100% of humans are supposed to be that but most of us not to Trumpian degrees.

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      God doesn’t make mistakes

      I’m not going to get into all of my many healthcare issues, but I’ll just let you read about atypical trigeminal neuralgia.

      If your god doesn’t make mistakes, fuck your god. I didn’t deserve that.

    • 🦄🦄🦄
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      Deuteronomy 23:1: English Standard Version “No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the LORD.

      Maybe let’s not base any ideas of morality or law on the bible full stop.

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      I’m sure as a result you do not wear glasses, refuse medical care, etc right? God doesn’t make mistakes, right???

      I have news for you, every bigot thinks their theology is direct to the Bible. They’re right, it’s a despicable book full of vile conduct, most of which is supported by the ugly nonexistent tetragrammaton tyrant you worship.

    • @kromem@lemmy.world
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      There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one

      • Galatians 3:28

      This is one of the few sentiments that’s both in the earliest primary source documents of Jesus and the apocrypha:

      “…when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female…”

      • Gospel of Thomas 22

      When Salome inquired when the things concerning which she asked should be known, the Lord said: When ye have trampled on the garment of shame, and when the two become one and the male with the female is neither male nor female.

      • Lost Gospel of the Egyptians via Clement

      At the time Jesus was actually alive, the interpretation of Genesis 1:27’s “So God created humans in his image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them” was widely thought to mean that there was a hermaphroditic original ‘Adam.’ This was widely discussed just a few decades after the time of Jesus among the Egyptian Jews in Alexandria, particularly Philio, contemporary to Paul.

      As well, at the time he was alive there was a very brutal form of forced hormone alteration by castrating prepubescent boys to leave them more feminine. Only a few decades after Jesus’s crucifixion the emperor of Rome even married someone this was done to (just a few years before the extant gospel of Mark is finalized, talking about marriage only being between a man and a woman).

      The ways in which a historical Jesus would have been thinking about the notions of gender or sexuality may be different than you might think back then.

      In my mind, the historical people at the center of the tradition has always been more important than the echo of them leftover in books confirmably marred by edits, revisions, and omissions. For both the old book and the new.

      And I think the historical Jesus might have agreed.

      His disciples said to him, “Twenty-four prophets have spoken in Israel, and they all spoke of you.”

      He said to them, “You have disregarded the living one who is in your presence, and have spoken of the dead.” […]

      Jesus said, “Whoever drinks from my mouth will become like me; I myself shall become that person, and the hidden things will be revealed to him.”

      The people who had a version of Jesus saying this also thought he was talking about matter being made up of indivisible parts, something only proven to be true beyond any doubt around a century ago.

      It’s easy for false prophets to cast weeds among the wheat, but it’s very hard to plant seeds that mature well with the times. To do that takes true foresight. Eventually as the years drag on, what was wheat and what was weeds inevitably becomes clearer as each grows - it’s an inescapable separator between truth and fiction.

      The Old Testament is flat out wrong when Elihu claims in Job that “why it rains and where snow comes from is beyond human understanding.” This knowledge had even become known in Jesus’s time, in the same Roman book published just 50 years before he was born in the Roman empire which also talked about Greek atomism and survival of the fittest.

      The church, in an age where people were still peeing on their hands to clean them, appointed itself an arbiter of what was wheat and what was weeds and proceeded to uproot anything it declared a weed.

      TL;DR: Having blind faith in those who have even more blind faith sounds a bit like the blind leading the blind to me. Maybe one would be less in danger of blaspheming the holy spirit and the notion of divine revelation if avoiding declaring anything absolutely true or false for sure until having sufficient confirmable information to evaluate it.

      That “wait and watch” approach is even the methodology of how the aforementioned book 50 years before Jesus got all that other stuff right about evolution and atoms. A book sharing word for word similarities with one of Jesus’s most famous parables, about how only what survived to reproduce multiplied. Also the only parable in the earliest written canonized gospel which has a “secret explanation” for what was a clearly public telling of the parable itself to thousands.

    • @fiercekitten@lemm.ee
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      Yeah, doesn’t the bible say not to judge, and to leave judgement up to the all-knowing God who is infinitely more experienced than his followers? I assume you agree with that. I wish most Christians would put that into practice and focus on being good to one another. I’m glad that you recognize the anti-trans hate and cruelty when you see it.

      I’m so tired of cis people telling trans people that trans people are immoral, or that trans people don’t deserve equal rights, or don’t deserve to exist in society, or are lesser than cis people. And then cis people have the audacity to pass laws that vilify trans existence, restrict trans rights and strip them of their autonomy.

    • @otp@sh.itjust.works
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      I disagree with you about the bible stuff, but I have great respect for how you handle it.

      You might disagree with trans people’s interpretation of their bodies, but it sounds like you hold more highly their rights to be kept safe. Even if they may be doing something you may disagree with, we agree that vulnerable people should be protected, especially when they’re not harming others.

      It’s almost like there’s no asterisk after “Love thy neighbour”!

  • Flying Squid
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    For such an incredibly lazy person, he sure is planning to do a lot “on day one.”

    This is starting to have “lock her up” vibes.

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        Oh this one has a good chance of happening. I’m just talking about in general. He promises to do every single thing on day one.

        • @T00l_shed@lemmy.world
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          Ah yes, very true, well the one promise he made, to be a dictator for a day, I think he will do that one day one.