Just make sure to shutdown lock your phone before dealing with the cops, but also make sure to record your interaction with the cops cause they can and will lie. 🤷♂️
Kind of tough to do both since the only way most people have of recording their interactions is with their phone.
Simply use Tasker to make a persistent notification disguised as a reminder to take your daily vitamins, but actually starts an audio recording when you press “done”
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That’s always been the craziest thing to me about the US police system. In Finland the police is not legally allowed to lie to you about facts. They can lie about themselves and whatever, but not wholesale invent out of the thin air and gaslight people into believing that they did something.
They can literally lie to you saying they found complete evidence that you committed a crime and that you’ll get jail time unless you confess in the interrogation room. And then when you confess, they’ll still give you jail time.
Cops in the US have very little oversight.
Turn on pin-secured boot and shut off the phone and a fingerprint should be useless now, right? And don’t the cops have a lot people’s fingerprints on record? Are we just waiting for a cop with a higher than room temperature IQ to come up with a duplicating method to get in people’s phones without warrant or even probable cause?
If you have the time?
The initial pin that most folks have to enter is needed to decrypt the partition with user data. This is not 100% foolproof for keeping LEOs out since there are many known, and likely more unknown, ways to brute force these but it is still the best option.
Turn your phone off before handover. They require pin at power on, which at least at this time cannot be compelled.
One second officer, let me just power down my phone real quick.
What percent of arrests do you suppose happen with SWAT storming your house with flashbangs?
No idea. But it’s worth considering that there are cases where you might not have the opportunity to power it down.
And what are the percentage of those cases?
The percentage is non-zero. But if you are really concerned about the percentage, you probably shouldn’t rely on this method. It’s a judgement call.
Never use biometrics to lock anything. You can be forced to push a finger to a sensor, or your head forcibly held still for a facial scan.
Only use passwords/passcords. only they are secure against this totalitarian bullshit.
They’ll still put you in jail on fake charges if you refuse to give your passcode, but at least your datas safe and now your case is unlawful imprisonment instead of relying on octogenarian judges thinking its okay to force compliance with a biometric.
Only use passwords/passcords. only they are secure against this totalitarian bullshit.
Oh sweet summer child. Password is as easily beaten out of you as biometric.
Obligatory XKCD https://xkcd.com/538/
If we’re talking about a situation where they can just straight up beat you legally until you give them a passcode, then what’s on your phone likely doesn’t make a difference in the outcome.
Oh it does. It could be some information throwing shade on other people
This ⬆️
Or that? Come on with this stupid Facebook shit comments.
Clearly we need a finger print to wipe it.
Thumb to open, middle to initiate wipe.
Or better yet:
One thumb to open, the other to wipe.
Makes it more inconspicuous.
You don’t want to wipe it, you just want to lock it. Wiping it in that moment would get you in trouble.
You do not have to help them access incriminating information about you, but you cannot destroy potentially incriminating information after they’ve started doing their search…
And for face unlock: blink SOS in Morse code to wipe.
Too long.
At the point that they have ordered you to unlock the phone, an investigation has begun, so if you do anything to the data on that phone, it could be considered destroying evidence.
Kind of in the same way that if the cops are searching your home and you try to flush some cocaine, they would consider that destroying evidence. But if you flushed cocaine the moment you saw cops on your street, that wouldn’t count as destroying evidence, because there was no investigation at the time.
This person was on parole and got pulled over by the highway patrol. No investigation.
Power+volume up > lockdown
Thanks for the reminder
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This is extremely dependent on what phone you’re using
I think it’s pretty much every modern android, no?
This has been a feature on my last pixel phones as well as my latest Sony android phones
Doesn’t seem to do anything on my samsung phone, but maybe that’s because I don’t have biometrics on
Huh, perhaps Samsung just changed the button combo as they’ve been known to do? 🤔
Didn’t work for me
You have to keep them pressed until the turn off screen appears, then just cancel the turning off
Is this an iPhone or Android thing?
Edit:
On my pixel 6 I see this. I have no idea what this is or what it does
Edit 2:
"When you put the phone into “Lockdown,” it disables all those less-secure unlock methods. The fingerprint scanner, face unlock, and Smart Lock are completely disabled. Only the PIN, pattern, and password can be used. "
So tempting just to reply ‘yes’ :)
But it’s iPhone at least.
Volume up and lock shows lockdown on my pixel 6 so it’s either android or both.
I assumed android because we’re on lemmy but I bet it’s an iPhone thing.
I’ll stick with power off or reset since that’ll force a pin.
Power and volume up for me shows a lockdown button so it’s either android or both.
Not for me. Turn off screen only appears after holding power down for a second (and gives lockdown option). Power+vol up does nothing.
What iPhone you have?
None at the moment, meant on Android. At the time it wasn’t clear what platform they meant.
FYI for iPhone users if you run into the Fuzz and you need to lock it out of biometrics, hit the lock button five times. This will start the emergency call count down but once canceled the iPhone can only be opened via passcode. Caveat, you need to have the five press to call turned on in Settings>Emergency SOS>Call with 5 Button presses
You don’t need anything turned on in settings, emergency sos. My iphone does the lock on 5 presses without those options on.
On my Android I can scan the wrong finger a few times and it’ll ask for my pin instead. I’m pretty sure rebooting would do the same but I’m too lazy to try that right now.
However, please make sure you try this yourself for your specific phone and Android version before relying on it.
Reboot has forced PIN/Pass for I think the entirety of Androids existence, but if not then for sure long enough that the phones that didn’t don’t work anymore as phones.
Rebooted android requires pin/pass only because you are essentially un-encrypting the phone. So if you use android and get in a mess with the police, shut down your phone immediately. It’s been this way for a long time, but it’s been far too long since 1.0-4.0 that I can’t remember.
It might have changed. When I restart my phone it just goes to the pattern unlock screen.
Pattern unlock is effectively the same as a pin, just without numbers. You can use the pattern unlock without the PIN code. But fingerprint unlock is a secondary unlock type on top of the primary one which is a PIN code. And no, they haven’t changed it, if you reboot the phone, a pin code is required first in order for it to boot up.
Does pattern unlock hold up against cops though? I don’t think I’ve seen it said that it does. But I’m not really knowledgeable about it.
idk maybe its just my phone (I’m on graphene os, a privacy and security focused ROM) but I have an option for “lockdown mode” which disables biometrics
On my Android I can scan the wrong finger a few times and it’ll ask for my pin instead.
Be careful. If they’ve ordered you to use your fingerprint to unlock the phone, and you “accidentally” do it wrong five times in a row to cause the device to lock, that may be considered disobeying an order.
You would want to lock the phone down before they’ve ordered you to do this.
For Android there’s a literal “lockdown mode” button on the lock screen that does this, if you push it you can only use pattern or PIN for the next unlock.
Holy shit it worked. That’s great advice.
You can also just hold the power and volume up buttons. You don’t actually have to swipe to power off the phone. Just holding those buttons long enough for the “Swipe to power off” to appear on screen will also lock out biometrics and force a PIN.
this might count as destroying evidence
If you haven’t locked the device down by the time they have instructed you to unlock it, doing then might be considered obstruction, but until they compel you to do it, you can do whatever you like with the phone.
As for destruction of evidence, it certainly wouldn’t be that, but even if it could be, it would kind of depend on them proving intent because you’re not under arrest yet or charged with anything. They would have to prove that you were aware of an impending investigation when you made the choice to dispose of evidence.
It can’t be, because nothing is destroyed
Assuming the wording of a law exists to protect you was your first mistake
Pro-tip: get a folding phone and use biometrics happily. If the cops come for you. Snap it in half. /S
Pro tip: every phone is a folding phone if you try hard enough.
On iOS hold power and volume up until SOS/power off options appear. TouchID/FaceID is now disabled until the next time you input the code.
Also you’re experiencing some amnesia due to the stress of interacting with a cop.
5 taps on the lock button works too
I was thinking about face ID the other day. What if you trained it while making a funny face? So then you would have to make that face to unlock the phone and how could someone compel you to do so? It’s sort of a 2-factor authentication in a way.
That’s a fair point. Not sure if that’s been litigated yet.
The only reason that a cop can’t compel you to give up a pin or a passcode is because that is information you have in your brain, and they can only compel actions, not information.
They could probably compel you to make a face, but they couldn’t compel you to unlock the phone with your face without knowing what that specific face is, and they can’t make you provide them with the information on that specific face either.
Right, so your choice of facial expression would, in effect, act like a passcode. Good luck breaking into Jim Carrey’s phone!
I got the idea initially when I noticed I couldn’t unlock the phone while laughing. Then I got annoyed and I guess angry face didn’t work either.
I wonder now what would be the minimum facial contortion you would need to make a distinct ID? It could be something as subtle as curling your lip or raising a cheek muscle slightly? I might have to experiment with this a bit…
I’ve always wondered why phones don’t have a locked dowm “guest mode” that’s accessible by typing in a non admin password/pin.
Some do. You can also just restart a phone real quick and it’ll demand your passcode not biometrics.
The passcode itself isn’t circumvented by this, after all.
But locking/resetting your phone should be an urgent thing, if you suspect the police will take it. Apple also does this if you hit the power button 5 times fast.
Samsung phones have a lockdown mode you can get to when you keep the power button pressed (like when you want to shut down). The legal situation is the same here in Germany - fingerprint unlock can be forced, regular pin or other measures not.
FaceID can also be forced, they aren’t allowed to force you to give up anything you “know” as in pin/password/pattern etc.
Don’t use fingerprint to unlock phone. They can force your fingerprint, but they can’t force your password … So just use a password. Problem solved
Edit: wow pulptastic shared this gem: Power+volume up > lockdown
My original comment: Restart your phone if they ask for it. Then it will need a passcode and can’t be unlocked by a fingerprint
They can beat the shit out of you - along with the password
What an awful day.
What happened to being secure in our documents and personal affects?
Is the constitution a joke to you?
US “constitution” sounds honestly like a joke to me
In this case, the defendant was on parole, so there was already a court order allowing the search of his devices.
Payne conceded that “the use of biometrics to open an electronic device is akin to providing a physical key to a safe” but argued it is still a testimonial act because it “simultaneously confirm[s] ownership and authentication of its contents,” the court said. “However, Payne was never compelled to acknowledge the existence of any incriminating information. He merely had to provide access to a source of potential information.”
If you can be compelled to hand over a key to a safe, I can see how that translates to putting your thumb on the scanner.
The constitution is only used to protect property rights of the owners and the power of managers. The working class is not often afforded it’s protections.
america is a joke. the 4th amendment is basically worthless. it’s time to rise up
