Should be wordpress and not Facebook for php. Which still makes up the majority of websites.
And Wordpress is a horrible example of PHP code
Laravel is a completely better PHP project
Couldn’t agree more. Wordpress and the damn loop. Horrid example of how to do something. But it still makes up the majority of the internet…
So I know it’s supposed to be an arm, but those language be dummy thicc
I like ruby. Use it for a bunch of things at work.
Rails: “No. Don’t worry Ruby.”
Ruby: “Huh?”
Rails: *Hugs Ruby
Rails: “We’re becoming irrelevant.”Together forever!
Hey Ruby debs, lookup Elixir. It’s supposedly similar syntax but run on the Erlang VM instead. Lots of cool companies use it, and a great community. 🤗
Don’t learn Elixir to replace Ruby. Learn it to enjoy OTP and BEAM.
I would love to join a cool company that’s willing to accept a dev that can transition fast. However, most of Elixir job listings I find are gambling or crypto. And I ain’t gonna touch those.
Crystal lang is also pretty cool looking. It seems to be going for what Nim is doing, making Ruby as fast as C.
Elixir is an awesome language. It takes some getting used to as it’s meant to be more functional like Haskell, but it plays really nicely with big parallel workloads and is super clean to write
I’ve written a non-trivial amount of Elixir. It’s nice, but I wouldn’t say it’s like Ruby. It’s more heavily functional, and it wants you to work with data in an immutable way. If you’re coming from a language that doesn’t force immutability, then you’ll be miserable until you get your head around how to work that way.
I really like it, though. Especially now that it’s getting optional typing.
Yesterday I would have argued that with the rails framework Ruby is a great way to rapidly develop a scalable application. Today I started having an intermittent failure in one of my API instances and when searching about it the only thing I could find was one obscure blogpost that boiled down to “yeah sometimes Ruby Ave active record just screws up the character set off a string” exact same string, different results. Excuse me Ruby? How the fuck can you sometimes screw up a character set? There should be no sometimes to any thing here.
I spent a few years with Ruby, and my experience is that Ruby and Rails couldn’t be more different in terms of programming approach, philosophy, and nature. I don’t trust Rails fully, but I do trust Ruby.
Haven’t Spring Boot in Kotlin with jib and cloud integration caught upto this in terms of development speed?
I mean I’ve been using ActiveRecord for the last 20 ish years and I’ve never encountered or even heard of this bug. Sounds like you came across an especially obscure one.
I like Ruby most of the time, but honestly, I’m not surprised at “sometimes” behavior from the language created by someone who, when asked for the formal definition of something in the language, said he’s “not really a formal kind of guy.”
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I would say wordpress over Facebook for php
Yeah…
Facebook hasn’t used PHP for a long time. They use Hack which started as a language similar to PHP, but it’s very different now - it’s strongly-typed and has a bunch of advanced features, like the ability to annotate functions as pure (no side effects), which gets enforced by the type checker.
But Cinc and its sell-out dad Chef are really great uses of ruby, keeping us from YAML hell and the kludgey socket-machine-gun that is Ansible. That piece of shit has more lithium-lick than I’ve ever seen.
If we can’t have mgmtConfig (ohai go), at least let us keep Cinc, but it needs ruby.
I really wish I knew what all these words meant. Then again that might ruin the childlike delight I get from my ignorance.
Goddammit, I’m feeling for an anthropomorphic programming language that I don’t even know.
Is PHP becoming irrelevant? It still comprises the vast majority of web pages out there. Maybe that has been going down but with he amount of competing languages and systems out there, that is to be expected.
Either way, it’s an awesome language, happily been using it for decades now
Depends on how you’re judging relevance.
93% of webpages could be PHP because of Wordpress, but that doesn’t necessarily mean there’s a lot of PHP developers.
If that hypothetical 93% is WordPress, there’s still a huge demand for PHP developers to maintain that and the plugins and so
PHP is horrible, I hate it, and I will not elaborate. Good day, sir.
Well that is an excellent argument if I ever heard one…
I said good day sir!
Good day to you too, how have you been?
Not too bad. Just chillin’. How 'bout you?
Very fine! Nice cool day today.
Either way, it’s an awesome language, happily been using it for decades now
Mind taking a moment to share why you like it? I am not very familiar with it.
I’m not the one you asked, but what I like isn’t really about PHP itself, but the fact that I can get dirt cheap hosting with PHP and MySQL. Every time I want to create a small “app” that makes some manual task easier it’s very useful to create something I can access from the internet.
Python is really useful for stuff like that too, but (in my experience) not as easy and cheap to use as an web app.
For example I go to dinner with some friends every month and we always forget who’s turn it is to choose and book a restaurant. So I just made this PHP page that shows the current and next 2 months with a name. So we always use that to see who’s turn it is.
What makes hosting with PHP cheaper than with python?
I don’t know, maybe it’s because PHP used to be the default web based language? I just buy hosting, I don’t sell it…
What do you use for hosting? I’m looking for a good host and highly budget conscious.
I’m Dutch and use a local Dutch company, I also wanted a .nl tld
I’m not the one you asked, but what I like isn’t really about PHP itself, but the fact that I can get dirt cheap hosting with PHP and MySQL.
Oh, wow, I looked a little into this and hosting really is dirt cheap! That is a benefit that I genuinely was not expecting.
Dope !
Though I like that you use PHP, I don’t think there is such a thing as PHP hosting, or python hosting? Maybe I’m not understanding what you’re saying here?
When you pay a company and they provide you with a domain (you choose) and give you a webserver, some disk space, a database etc.
I pay about 30 euros a year for 5 websites. They are all very basic (either some php stuff I made, or WordPress). These websites have very few visitors so the hosting specs don’t really matter. All these websites have a specific domain name, some disk space, and a database.
For this price they offer PHP and MySQL. So it’s not a dedicated server where I’m root and can Install other stuff.
Quite early on the eyes, powerful, fast to build and rolk out projects, about. A billion libraries with all the functions you’ll ever need. People both about it because it has some language quirks from way back in the beginning, I see it as stability. I don’t know how node is now but I remember a few years back where every bug fix came accompanied not only by 10 new bugs but also a bunch of interface changes that immediately broke everything. Every. Single. Damn. Time.
Having said that, it under very active development and has been majorly improved over the years. Dumb design choices are no long available and right now it’s quite easy to work securely with it.
Beyond the “but these two functions should have similar naming but they don’t!” argument, that with a good editor doesn’t matter anyway, there isn’t really a good argument out there not to use it.
… And it’s one of the languages everybody craps on. Like, I’ve seen people compare JavaScript favourably to it.
Yeah they do, with no real reason, really. Oohh, “some functions use underscore and others don’t!” And? It’s not a problem, really. Every language has baggage from the past and PHP kept it for stability, I’m happy with that.
“some functions use underscore and others don’t!”
That’s weird, but more of an aesthetics issue than anything. JavaScript will actually decide to behave oddly for no reason; if that’s it it’s still king of the shitbirds.
Perhaps it was before Facebook came along
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Wikimedia, WordPress, Drupal…
Those hentai games and visual novel games still keeping ruby lang relevant tho, rpgmaker game engine is one of examples
It’s easier to code in python one handed then it is codeing in C
I think the two newest, MV and MZ, have switched to Javascript. Also, Ren’py is the only visual novel engine I can think of, which is based on Python.
I wrote extensively in Ruby but for Rake - using Ruby as a build system. Can’t say I liked the language although it was okay for how we used it. We have 20 sub projects with some very complex build targets and dependency scanning going on and the Rake syntax was okay. Personally I think its biggest shortcoming was the documentation was very poor and stuff like gems felt primitive compared to other package management systems. One thing I liked from the language was blocks could evaluate to a value which I really use a lot in Rust too.
I think if I were doing an acyclic dependency build system these days I’d use Gradle probably.
As for Rails I expect failed to catch on because even compared to Python, Ruby is a slow language. And Python isn’t fast by any stretch. Projects that started with Rails hit the performance brick wall and moved to something else.
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We had tens of thousands of lines in our rake files to build a bunch of targets, none of which were even Ruby. I think if I needed to build another complex build system that was a directed acyclic graph I think I’d use Gradle, for a several reasons - we had some Java targets so we save on an additional developer runtime, it would run faster & Gradle is more mainstream and easy to get various plugins & documentation for.
Shopify is built on Ruby on Rails
Yeah but Shopify also runs on GraphQL and Remix which are way more modern.
This is like saying Twitter is RoRedit: no it’s not
I worked at Shopify up until a year ago. github.com/shopify/shopify repo powers almost every inch of Shopify’s infrastructure and is entirely a rails monolith. It is not the same as saying Twitter is still rails.
Thanks for the insight! I’ve seen so many gql queries in the UI and remix is blowing up so I figured it was at least similar.
Edit: Shopify engineering publishes some neat articles, particularly on scaling rails + other systems. E.g https://shopify.engineering/horizontally-scaling-the-rails-backend-of-shop-app-with-vitess
That explains a lot
So is square IIRC
I had to learn Fortran for my thesis because it’s the industry standard in particle physics
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A lot of COBOL programs are still running to this day.
Physics changes with retirements. FORTRAN should received it’s gold watch and shown the door about 20 years ago now.
There’s no distinct generations of either physicists or codes that all retire at the same time
How long ago? ROOT (and other frameworks like GEANT) using C++ has been the standard for over 15 years, but probably longer. I think my advisor was of the last generation that had to write in Fortran.
Currently lmao. I’m using those tools as well but some specific event generators I’m using are in Fortran still
thank you for your service 🫡
the last generation to write FORTRAN
runs to look out window
My God is the sun turning into a red giant?!
Oh no, whew, that’s a relief! Guess the FORTRAN programmers will be relevant for a little longer too then.
(As a .NET dev, I wish some languages (or versions of languages) would die but i really think once code has been written it never goes away!)
[COBOL has entered the chat.]
Capitalism will never let a programming language die, if it’s still less expensive than an alternative.
