Sucks for consumers but that is poetic justice for the zed team. They now atone for their sin of creating electron.
Out of the loop here, what sucks for the zed team?
Probably the reason Vs Code has so many extensions, is that they can easily (low barrier of entry) be created in JavaScript. This is mainly due to the fact that VS Code is an electron application, itself written in JavaScript.
It sucks for zed, because these extensions allow users to customize their workflows to their needs which decreases their liklihood to switch to a different editer. I think the message of the post is that VS Code’s large and mature extension ecosystem will somewhat impede users migrating to zed.
The irony in this is that the people behind zed and atom were the ones who initially created electron for atom.
I don’t get why some people argue over text editors… Just use whatever works. I like VSCode, not because it’s the best or the fastest or the lightest.
It works and it does all I need it to do, which is all that I need from a text editor.
It’s worth finding the best text editor if you’re using it all day long imo
VSCode is the best for me, simple, good UI, extensions, 0 setup required, can run on practically anything created after the dinosaur age (early 2000s).
If it does everything it needs to do without major drawbacks, then it is the best editor.
Pretty much. But some people end up wanting to configure and tweak the thing just so they “can work”, when in reality they never actually use any of those tweaked things
Sometimes, it feels like people that spend too much time glorifying text editors are just trying to justify why they’re using a bad one.
Yeah… and these criteria depend on the editor + use case combo. Hence, the discussion and excitement around text editors
not because it’s* the best
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John fucking Carmack codes in Microsoft Visual Studio, and that’s the guy who wrote Doom, the single most important piece of software in history of Man and I’m not even exaggerating.
That’s cool but for some reason VS Code is just super distracting for me. I really can’t focus well when I’m using it, Zed feels a lot more focused for me
He doesn’t develop text editors, so he uses what’s popular. That’s what most people do.
So what would you use if you developed text editors?
And as a side note, would would you use for html and php?
IntelliJ suite for web development. Its a little resource heavy, but has all the features baked in.
I’d probably use my own niche text editor
Doom, the single most important piece of software in history of Man and I’m not even exaggerating.
First of all, that’s your opinion, second of all, appeal to authority, third of all, what’s that have to do with what he does right now?
It’s not opinion though, but a scientific fact.
Don’t you try to argue with the experts
I’m hopeful it get somewhere. Lapce was a good idea, but is sadly slowing down. I’m hoping this will generate enough hype to make it live. I’m really looking forward to a IDE without Electron
It’s funny how many people online use VS Code. But I’ve heard that this might be a US thing. Here, everyone uses the JetBrain products (which are far superior imo).
I have a full JetBrains sub paid out for five years. I have dropped JetBrains for VS Code because I got tired of switching editors for everything and dealing with a Java-centric setup when I tried to streamline. Their decision to drop community Rust support in favor of only paid more recently also doesn’t sit well with me, especially given the PyCharm setup.
I swore up and down I would never leave Sublime for JetBrains.
The right tool for the right job. I use both, depending on what task I have.
This goes for most things in tech - there’s no one best language, there’s only really a best language for any given job.
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I for a long time thought VS Code was an Atom fork because of how simmilar they were
Its just the swiss army knife of the editor world.
My hopes for a vscode replacement are on lapce.
But I mean… this also looks like a swiss army knife…
Fuck vs code, jetbrains all the way!
To be fair, there’s a big difference.
VS Code is a text editor / IDE. Compared to something like Notepad++, it’s super slow to open/load, its UI feels laggy at times, and it’s just overkill for opening a text file. Compared to specialized log viewers, it struggles with large files and is generally super slow.
But compared to “full” IDEs like IntelliJ, it’s marginal in coding features, lacking important analysis and testing support, plus integrations with ~everything.If you find yourself in the middle, like many JS developers do, not actually needing the biggest IDE but also needing more than just a text editor, it’s a fine tool. As a Java Backend Dev, VS Code feels like a joke if applied to that, OTOH.
it’s super slow to open/load, it’s UI feels laggy at times, and it’s just overkill for opening a text file.
Because it’s a webbrowser in disguise. The most complex and inperformant GUI rendering system in existence.
People should use with whatever they feel comfortable with, but I personally don’t see the advantage. I used VSCode once for simple edits of something and it worked, but I couldn’t imagine really using it for a project due to the lack of… everything. The whole support of the JetBrains products from the smart autocompletion, pointing out errors in advance, to improving your code, is insane, and with VSCode, you don’t have that.
I also once had a small project with two people using PyCharm and one VSCode and the differences in the code style were insane. Of course that depends on the person, but it’s just much easier to obey all the style guidelines and write cleaner code with the former one.its* UI feels laggy
Oops. TY, corrected!
Honestly, vscode opens in a split second for me, faster than I can react and start typing. For all intents and purposes it is instantaneous. Granted my setup is extremely clean and I only have the barest extensions installed for my workflow. The performance is consistent in my Windows, macOS and Linux machines.
I can’t imagine it running slow at all (perhaps someone with hundreds or thousands of extensions would). The last two editors I could recall that took the whole of eternity in the time space continuum to load were Eclipse and Atom. And those were slowass right out of the gate with zero extensions or plugins.
I’m in Europe and VS Code is very popular, JetBrains stuff is around too tho. Both are bloated but VS Code is still way lighter.
VSCodium is less bloated
Oh yeah Codium all the way.
Everyone I know in Europe uses either Visual Studio or vscode.
It massivelly depends on whether it’s for programming or something else (such as sys admin work) and which language (and even for which framework) if the former.
If you’re doing, say, Java programming for server side or Android, VS and VSCode are far from good choices, but they’re perfect if you’re doing C# .Net stuff.
However if you’re doing sys admin work (including the programming part of it) you’re probably better of mastering vim or Emacs (if only because at times in some systems it’s all you have).
Me, a European, using Xcode and Eclipse ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah, used to do a lot of the latter for server-side stuff and Android and of the former for iOS, but in the last couple of years been doing game programming so that’s VSCode because it’s C# with Unity.
Way back when I started doing it professionally it was Emacs, vi and even notepad depending on what I was doing.
They’re just tools and only worth it to hyperspecialize in them if you only do one thing your whole career.
Depends heavily on the market segment. I also work in Europe and in my 15 years as a software developer (the first 6-7 as C/C++ developer) I’ve never seen anyone use Visual Studio.
For jvm stuff definitley yes. For other things I often prefer VS Code.
Man I use IntelliJ for:
- python
- Jupyter notebooks
- node, typescript
- html
- YAML/TOML
- sql
- testing
- ReST
- Docker
- bash
- cloud formation
- terraform
- lua
- groovy, kotlin, and also java
- maven, gradle, spock
- linting, code formatting, dependency management, db connectors & browsing, live templates, refactoring, code analysis, fantastic git operations, local history, testing, etc
Support for most of this stuff is just built in, and a few plugs for the rest. In-line embedded sql execution, best git merge tools, everything has customizable key commands… it goes on and on. The amount of config and plugs this requires in other tools is insane.
I don’t understand the hate for zed here. Because they are MacOs only? Well, platform support is being worked and looking at their business model it seems MacOs users will the cohort that actually pays for these kinds of things. It will be fun to try out once it comes on linux buy my fealty is with nvim.
They wana be vscode, but barly have the features of suplime text. The marketing is dumm.
Well it’s just starting out. + They’re at least open source.
Thats wy we dont hype and wait. I wish them luck, but they aint killed nothing yet and there not even close.
Helix superiority.
Helix looks promising. It’s kind of learning curvish because I have to unlearn vim. Trying to do more things in it though, bit by bit (no pun intended)
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Ain’t Atom dead?
The technology is nothing alike though. Atom is Electron and Javascript where Zed is Rust with its own custom UI toolkit.
And on the current version of Pulsar (the only real community fork of Atom seeing active development), startup time to point of the editor being usable is actually slightly faster than VSCode.
I think this editor is supposed to be super fast because of their GPU or whatever libraries. It’s also supposed to be written in Rust.
So far there’s no extensions and just on Mac. Maybe when those open up I’ll take a closer look.
I mean, it was DOA at “From the Atom team”.
Getting revenge on Microsoft by tightly integrating Microsoft’s LLM stuff 😎
Fuck bulky ass vs code fucking horrendous
It does just work though, which is what other code editors need to get that kind of adoption, I’d love to be able to say I use vim or Emacs but get frustrated when I’m trying to get work done and things keep breaking, I finally feel I have everything configured and then realise I’m missing something else that took me 3.5 minutes to set up in VScode, half of that is due to the large community.
Zed works pretty well out of the box but is missing a lot of features that will make it a viable replacement for me. I am excited about Zed and the way it works, it’s super interesting and creative and id love to drive it daily someday, so much so that it’s the first project I’ve really considered contributing to myself.
I don’t like that VSCode is bloated, but I love that it takes five minutes to set up and contains nearly every feature I can think of.
Lots of discussion here of Zed being macOS-only. Multiplatform support is being tracked in this issue for Linux, Windows, and web:
It’s far from finished usable though. I had to adjust the installation script myself and it disconnected both my monitors when the application started. The application opened and 3 seconds later the screen went black and I got a “No Displayport Output” message. I expected it to fail compiling or crash or something, but I never expected that to happen. I thought it was unrelated at first, but I was able to reproduce the issue 3 times in a row.
I’m glad to hear Zed uses the GPU to render its UI, much like every other IDE on the planet.
the framework is actually pretty cool, it uses SDFs to render ui (which is definitely not the most efficient solution but it’s really, really cool (it means they can use the same system to render shapes, text, and literally everything else which can be described by a signed distance formula)
Vscodium gang?
Me. I’d like to try zed though.
present… yet until i can toy around with zed in Linux
Represent! (It’s vscode with all telemetry and crap removed, all your vscode extensions still work fine)
“all your vscode extensions still work fine” is definitely not true. Sure a vast majority of them probably do, but certainly not all of them.
I still prefer it over full VS Code though.
Well… At least all the ones related to platform IO and other embedded development. Can’t say every extension, since I’ve not tried them all.
