I’d like to know other non-US citizen’s opinions on your health care system are when you read a story like this. I know there are worse places in the world to receive health care, and better. What runs through your heads when you have a medical emergency?
A little background on my question:
My son was having trouble breathing after having a cold for a couple of days and we needed to stop and take the time to see if our insurance would be accepted at the closest emergency room so we didn’t end up with a huge bill (like 2000$-5000$). This was a pretty involved ~10 minute process of logging into our insurance carrier, and unsuccessfully finding the answer there. Then calling the hospital and having them tell us to look it up by scrolling through some links using the local search tool on their website. This gave me some serious pause, what if it was a real emergency, like the kind where you have no time to call and see if the closest hospital takes your insurance.
I mean it’s literally one of the good reasons to even have a society. I think whatever the fuck this is, it’s more like a good damn competition or something like that. It’s insane. Americans are insane for thinking that they are all temporarily inconvenienced millionaires in the making, and seemingly can’t understand basic empathy for all those that would be non millionaires. I think money making global corporations are soulless complex machines of torture and warfare that are completely psychopathic entities that will destroy anything or anyone standing between it and profits, and instead of controlling that you keep complaining when those machines end up hurting you. These dark corrupted demonic beings of hatred are also just without any oversight abusing and murdering people in other countries making this a world wide problem. I think your dollar scam has ruined the economy of the entire world by being a particularly self centered grifting scheme that for decades has proven to be out of control and toxic to the entire human race.
Well yeah, but like, that’s just your opinion, man.
- The Dude
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It’s actually pretty American not to believe in society. I’m not saying it’s good. But the right of an individual to march off into the wilderness and be left the fuck alone forever is a long-cherished American ideal (whether or not this ever existed).
what do you think when you read stories like these
Honestly they are so fucking sad I try to avoid reading them. Another example is this one: She Was Denied an Abortion After Roe Fell. This Is a Year in Her Family’s Life.
The monsters have been trying to do the same things in Europe though, UK has underfunded the NHS and healthcare in Germany is in deliberate decline too.
Why does your government not want a healthy work force? Healthy workers are more productive. Even with the right wing focus of your entire government, having healthy workers just feels like a no brainer.
It’s because this system works well for wealthy people. And most of the idiots who like this system are either wealthy, or idiots with “temporarily embarrassed millionaire” syndrome.
Those in power (Trump, then Biden) specifically ran campaigns against radical changes to this system. Many of us tried to drum up support for Bernie four years ago… Alas, it failed.
Also a worker that doesn’t have to waste time on bureaucracy and healthcare considerations has more time to be productive.
Both of you are thinking in terms of efficiency and not control. You’re dependent on your job to get health care. Lose your job? Better not get sick or hurt.
Of course the new thing is to not give employees too few hours so you legally don’t have to provide health insurance for them and make them pay for it themselves. Which is much more expensive.
Sure there’s Medicaid, but first you have to qualify. Then there’s different parts that cover different things and not others. You may also still have copays, deductibles, and other charges you still have to worry about.
Additionally the private insurance market means the cost of hiring someone is dramatically higher. Medicare for all would probably make the vast majority of companies more profitable. It’s such a no brainer for everyone outside the healthcare industry.
Not only that but say I run a bakery, why should I have to devote a crazy amount of time learning medical insurance speak? That’s time that I should be spending thinking of new things I can sell. That’s the whole point behind specialization. I don’t give two-girls-one-cup shits about the ins and outs of ANY insurance policy. I buy what I need and I need it to work when I need it. My interests begins and ends there. and that’s a REASONABLE position to take.
Why are we allowing ourselves to be extorted by medical insurance muckbangs?
The whole industry deserves doxxing and relentless public shaming. I’m not advocating violence. Like protesting outside assistant mid-managers houses. If identities got stolen and credit scores ruined…well, I’m not condoning it but I’m not gonna lose sleep over it either. Make the whole industry undesirable to work in.
I think my company’s pays about $600 a month for my insurance and I pay about $150 for premiums. It’s insane.
Here is my perspective on the answer to your question:
Our government is not functional. It is not that it doesn’t “want” a healthy work force, but that it isn’t capable of setting any sort of a policy.
The last time the US made any meaningful change in healthcare policy was under Obama. My impression of what happened is that there was a brief (2 yr) moment when the Presidency, House, and Senate were all controlled by the same party. The Democrats passed “health reform” which was basically the Republican health care reform package from 4 years earlier.
In the 13 years since then, the only Republican position on health care has been that Obama’s “ACA” law is “bad”. There is literally no suggestion of what else would be better. (I’m not counting the anti-abortion laws as “health care” – they are seen here as a moral issue, not a health care one.) The Democrats’ position has been a mix of “we shouldn’t let the Republicans take us back to something WORSE!” and “the whole system is broken and needs to be replaced”.
We have two problems. First, our government is structured so that it cannot easily accomplish anything, at least without cooperation between the two opposed parties. Secondly, one of the two parties is insane and wants to destroy the government (and has enough electoral support to win almost half the time).
I think I’m fucking glad I emigrated to Canada.
I know it’s not something everyone can do, but if you can afford it GTFO.
I’m glad I was born here . My son was 3 months premature so I would of had mountains of dept from all the ultrasounds from before he was born to monitor the issues we where having. Plus a 3 month stay in the NICU with special tests done all the time to make sure everything was fine .
Also I get kidney stones and have to somewhat regularly get it treated with lithotripsy to break them down to smaller peices.
My partner’s son was also premature and also had complex developmental issues. The fact that they weren’t bankrupted (and that my stepson actually has access to support staff) amazes me still.
Honestly? I think Americans are by and large bad people for not doing anything about it.
Americans seem to be huge on politics, they talk about all these things. But they do nothing, just just come up with excuses.
Change your voting system, change your laws. The power is in the hands of the voters.
The power is in the hands of the voters.
That’s a really hot take. Tell me, who should I vote for to bring about these magical changes I have the power to effect?
The political party I think you want is on the other side of the current democrats. Ideally, as a nation, you’ve gotta go left so hard that the current dems would split into right and left. It is a daunting task, and a number of elections in the making…
I honestly think it is too far gone now for it to be turned with only elections. The power is too concentrated and the methods of control are too refined. At minimum, I think it will require mass “illegal” protests along with strong voting. As a bystander in another country, I fear for you all.
you’ve gotta go left so hard that the current dems would split into right and left.
That’s great in theory, but if we do that, we’re giving the government to the GOP in the interim, and they’ve made it quite clear that if they get power, they don’t intend to give it up again. Not to mention, the effects of this would extend well beyond our borders. I’ve advocated very strongly for exactly this sort of action in the past, but now is simply not the time.
You guys need a revolution.
Or at least someone out there breaking politicians legs so they understand what healthcare means.
Right, and the way things are going with “states rights” it sounds like the GOP are already going for family planning and birth control with Alabama’s Supreme Court ruling that fertilized embryos are “people”.
Best guess, the left of the democrats in the primaries, for a start.
It’s not that you lack politicians who agree with the changes that are needed, it’s that they are seen as less electable than the guy who did tons of fraud and at least one confirmed rape, somehow. I don’t know that Americans are “bad people”, but the fact that these common sense positions aren’t the default, centrist view across both major parties is baffling.
It’s a clumsy way to put it, but it’s not wrong that the lack of universal consensus around these things in the US is confusing and unreasonable.
The amount of propaganda we’re subject to here is just astounding. News programs, print media, billboards, web articles, everywhere. Just looking at the way a given issue is framed completely differently in different states or cities or from different news sources is pretty eye opening. That, combined with rampant gerrymandering, makes it really hard to blame voters for voting against their self-interest; we’re just being bombarded with media designed to make us think, act and vote a certain way. I’m completely sure my own views are influenced by it, too, to be clear - I’m not claiming to be some pillar of purity.
It’s not that Americans are ‘bad people’ any more than the people in any other country are. It’s just that a relatively few voices are given very large platforms and basically dictate the discourse.
Yeah, ok.
I don’t want to speak for the OP, but… I’m guessing that’s what they’re saying.
I mean, this issue is not on the ballot elsewhere. Even conservatives who are actively trying to dismantle public health care won’t dare suggest that they want less public health care. At most they’ll tell you they found ways to invest more and then turn around and give that money to private managers. You certainly broke through the propaganda. I don’t think I’ve spoken to an American anywhere who has made a case for the current health care system. Polls suggest this issue, among other “aren’t Americans weird” stuff are wildly impopular with the actual population.
But I also constantly hear from Americans that it’s impossible to turn it around, that candidates who support these common sense moves are unelectable and that there is nothing they could ever do about it.
That part is what I don’t get. I mean, I’m familiar with elections not going my way, it happens to everybody, but holy crap. There’s a reason why this is not on the ballot elsewhere. You wouldn’t need an election to figure this out. Even in countries with the bare minimum of democratic guarantees and no money you would have the mother of all endless riots under these circumstances.
Me, personally, I’m not so much judgemental of the American public as I am baffled at their defeatism and conformism.
You certainly broke through the propaganda.
But I also constantly hear from Americans that it’s impossible to turn it around, that candidates who support these common sense moves are unelectable and that there is nothing they could ever do about it.
Have we broken through the propaganda, though? Shit, just look at the pushback around Obamacare (which while certainly not ideal was the best public option health care we’ve had available in my lifetime) - there was so much negative press that people just didn’t have any idea how it was actually benefitting them. There’s an old Facebook thread that gets posted from time to time with someone railing against Obamacare while not even realizing they were using it to get coverage.
Even in countries with the bare minimum of democratic guarantees and no money you would have the mother of all endless riots under these circumstances.
I think the biggest thing that a lot of folks from outside the US - especially those in Europe - don’t understand is just how big this country is. We are around 96% as large as the whole of Europe, with about half the population. The BLM protests was the most widespread activism we’ve managed that I can remember, and that was squashed pretty easily. It’s incredibly difficult to get a significant part of the US to coordinate on anything activism-related, and that’s really what it would take to make a difference, I think.
Yeah, I keep hearing the “you don’t get how big it is” thing, too.
I get how big it is.
European agriculture workers just reversed EU-wide policy as recently as last week by blocking major roads throughout the continent with tractors. They didn’t even agree with each other (half those guys are pissed at the other guys for being too competitive), and the regulations they opposed were climate protection regulations, among other more reasonable things, so this isn’t necessarily a feel-good story.
But they won.
They didn’t even have to try that hard, honestly. Besides mild traffic jams and some tense standoffs with police it was all pretty mild. And yet politicians across the entire continent, over multiple countries, were terrified of the optics of working class people protesting in loose coordination, especially with right wing parties trying to co-opt their anger.
I get how big it is. The size is not the reason.
I don’t know, how can you possibly expect me to answer that. What options do you have as your local representative? Maybe run if there is no one good enough.
Incidentally, ranked choice voting was on the ballot where I live in 2020. I actually did spend some time trying to spread the word and drum up support. It didn’t pass, so we’re right back where we started, and I live in one of the most liberal states in the country.
Our state senators, representatives and local government are actually pretty alright, as American government goes, but the fact of the matter is that the country is being held back by a tyranny of the minority and those of us who don’t live in the handful of battleground states that define elections don’t really have much power to influence that.
Getting any sort of federal-level change into effect is basically an impossibility, because (it is my view that) corruption is so rampant. We’d have to oust the majority of the House and Senate and replace them with reasonable people to have any chance of getting the votes for something like that. At this point all we can really do is hope to hold off the fascist wave that’s building.
Maybe run if there is no one good enough.
Gonna fund that? Pay for their time off?
Crowd source if need be? No other country, even poorer ones have this issue?
What the hell you guys on about.
I don’t think you understand how it works in the US, nor how much time/effort which the working poor simply do not have. There’s a reason why most in politics are rich there.
Rich people in other countries want universal healthcare.
Okay?
NGL, I was offended at first but I’m not sure you’re wrong.
There’s honestly this constant apathy that the vast majority of people take towards politics. Then some of those people are simultaneously apathetic and regular voters. It’s kind of like a fan of Ferrari that doesn’t really pay attention to Ferrari or its competition; they’re just sure their car is the best.
Then there are those that are completely crazy.
Then there are those that actually pay attention.
It’s gotten worse the past few years because instead of getting more people that paid attention we’ve gotten more apathetic but yet somehow passionate Ferrari lovers.
That plus people don’t seem to understand Congress is where stuff actually gets done. There’s so much hoopla about the president but Congress is where the focus should be. Way too many people have no idea what their reps are doing.
Yea I didn’t write it in the politest way but I was going more for directness than anything.
I think knowing the problem is an important starting point.
People got shot at and died for things like the 5 day work week. But now people just think universial healthcare is beyond their abilities. I haven’t heard 1 story from America about a universial healthcare protest. Maybe they exist but not to the level of other things.
If it really mattered to the people I think they should do something.
People have been convinced that their votes don’t matter, protests don’t matter, etc etc etc
“They’re both the same” (in reference to parties) is the extent of most people’s political sense.
It’s also one of those things where there are enough safety nets and things that for most people it’s never really that bad. I don’t know anyone personally that’s actually lost everything from medical debt. I know it’s a possibility and that’s scary… I even know some people that are on every aid program out there basically but those programs are paying out the thousands of dollars in monthly medical bills (i.e. in the instances I know the system actually “works” on some level albeit uncomfortably and with a lot of stress).
To put things into context for someone who doesn’t live here … car crashes, cancer, heart attacks, and other rare “inescapable” things like that are all much much more prevalent than crazy medical debt, getting shot, or going homeless.
It’s not a dystopia … most people are living at least decent lives. That’s kind of the problem, it’s not bad enough for an overwhelming majority of people to actually care.
That leaves some number of people who actually care for the sake of others and some number of people that care for their own sakes to deal with the problems and the propaganda that influences the (mostly) apathetic faction. The people at the bottom of the whole thing are also in the worst possible position to do anything about it because their time and credibility is ultimately judged and scarce when it comes to doing things like going out and convincing people to vote in their favor.
The 5 day work week is largely dead for the working class. Employers either keep nearly all of their employees part time to avoid having to give them health insurance or have weekly mandatory overtime to keep the headcount down because it’s cheaper to pay the overtime for 60-80 hr weeks than to give another employee benefits. We’re going backwards in most places that we had made gains.
Congress is where stuff actually gets done.
Since when?
I know this is kind of a joke about how dysfunctional Congress is/can be, but it’s exactly my point. Whether it’s functional or not, without Congress you don’t get money for your projects, and you don’t get changes to the law.
It’s not
If you are sufficiently wealthy in the US, you can afford what we have as routine in Europe, which is healthcare. In the US, there are many who cannot afford insurance, and even with insurance, the policy is unlikely to cover your needs, especially for anything other than acute care.
Shaking my head and glad I’m not living in the US.
A country can decide how to treat people, how to shape the future. I get that nothing is perfect and everything is complicated. But I completely don’t get why the US doesn’t want to tackle some of the problems. Mainly school shootings, healthcare, social security and a democratic system by today’s standards. Maybe the latter is the answer why… And watching documentaries about the rural areas, it seems like the USA is mostly a third world country, except for in the cities.
The funny thing is that the US actually spends about twice as much on healthcare per capita as other developed countries. The reason that outcomes are so much worse there isn’t lack of money.
It’s just THAT expensive. An ambulance is 2-3k minimum. Just for showing up. Going to an ER, talking to reception and then giving up and leaving? That’ll be a $1200 bill, to NOT see a doctor.
I don’t even know the line where I would voluntarily to go the hospital, knowing it’s sacrificing the next 10-20 years of all my extra income. Would it be when I put my thumb thru a grinding disc on my angle grinder, cutting it clean in two right thru the entire nail?
Naw, hell no. I would have cut my thumb tip off with a chef’s knife and cauterized It if I thought it wouldn’t heal on its own, rather than spend an app $15,000 I don’t have. Took about 10 weeks to heal.
I know how to fight off an abscess tooth without antibiotics. It takes about 8 days, of constant stabbing, arching your back pain. Ive broken knuckles just to have a different pain to focus on. No one should know how to do this in 2024. Abscess teeth kill. Kennewick Man, y’know, the Popsicle? That’s what killed him. My story isn’t unique, America is a third world country with iPhones. Don’t visit. I wish the world would boycott every American company until we learn how to have a civil society.
Oh wow, I didn’t know that. Google says $13.493 per person in 2022. And in Germany it’s a bit more than $7.000…
Also things like maternal mortality are WAY worse…
I mean the USA is bigger and maybe things don’t translate exactly from a somewhat densely populated central european country to the vast emptiness of rural Wyoming. I guess an hospital is also something that is subject to economy of scale… But even most northern european countries where doctors come in with helicopters, don’t exceed the ~$7.000.
It is really off for the USA:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita
(If that is correct, you could spend half the money on healthcare and also live 3 years longer, on average…)
Life expectancy is going down cuz suicide rates are shooting up. Like suburban boys with shopping malls, their classrooms and/or heroin/fent
Fuuuuck. Nailed it, I’m fucking kiiiiiiiiilling it today. Ziiiing!
Hmmh, but that’s only the thing on top. Contrary to other countries, life expectancy seems to be actually going down since 2014… But there is already something seriously wrong since ~1980…
Reagan, Thatcher
And seems it never has gotten better than that, regarding this apect. Even worse 😮💨
Yeah, it’s not a healthcare system. It’s a jobs system and wealth transfer scheme. Insurance companies have the government in their pocket and get employer money, government money, and employee money and transfer it to the already outrageously rich, and all that in between cost (salespeople, billing specialists, HR benefits specialists) is somebody’s paycheck.
That’s without consideration of actual fraud, which moves money from the government to the rich without even providing services at all, and is easier to hide in such an outrageously complicated and expensive system.
Our entire nation exists to funnel money to the rich. Whenever someone wonders, “why is x this way in the USA?” The answer is always it puts more money in a rich person’s pocket. The healthcare system is the emperor’s new clothes. Bask in it, if you can see how great it is.
We WANT too. Gun control, Medicare for all, and SS all have majority support for reform, across the parties. Broad support. Multiple studies have shown that public opinion has ZERO effect on legislation getting passed. Our oligarchy doesn’t give three shits to the wind about actual Americans. I’ve never met a group of people who, clearly, hate almost everyone they see. At the end of the balance sheet, actions speak louder, and the group most responsible for pain, suffering and loss of quality American years lived are the 1%. Their renumeration of revolutionary inequality is simultaneously equal amounts astonishing and disgusting.
If I wrote out a synopsis of the economy today and somehow got it back to my WW2/Korea vet grandfather he would’ve thought the USSR won the cold war.
His last words to me, i had asked him about WW2, and said I wanted to join the military like him - I liked my grandad better than my parents - and he told me “you don’t join the military. I fought so you and your siblings don’t have too” and then he made me promise that I’d go to college instead.
I did as he asked tho looking around now, I feel like no matter what I do, war is gonna find me.
Which if we’re being brutally honest, would be a return to the norm. Historically war touches everyone’s life. We’re blessed to live under the Pax Americana, but greed has rotted out the essence at its core and when the last leg falls…ever seen that movie Miracle Mile? You should watch it.
Thanks for the suggestion. Of course Netflix doesn’t have this 1988 movie… Let me see if I can pirate it… And thanks for teaching me the term “Pax Americana”.
The USA is somewhat far away from the wars it is or has been engaged with. I think the situation is a bit different than for other countries. That is also a thing I don’t quite get about the USA. Back in the cold war enormous sums of money were invested to fight the USSR. And nowadays Putin wants to revive that and the USA really struggles to represent their interests. I mean the USA isn’t tied as closely to eastern europe as for example a central european country where I live is. But there are some economic interests at play and the USA also benefits from a stable eastern europe and Russia/China not wreaking havoc in the world. This time it’s not even American soldiers who have to die in that battle. And the USA could advertise for their arms industry and make some profit, too. But all of that is overshadowed by national politics and it seems to cripple politics and working towards mid-term and long-term interests.
GOP steps into the chat.
Thoughts and prayers!
I think “That’s the US health care system for you” or “Yep, that checks out”.
I can’t believe governments and companies put such a “price” on people’s health. I must say the news about the US Health System is also echoed by all the other US companies I have dealt with in my professional capacity. Profits before people and sales before outcomes.
I/We avoid using them when we can…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYCRwcz2aV8 is really crazy, that americans seem to think, that you need to be able to get out of everything by yourself. In the line of: If something bad happens to you and you are not able to get out by yourself, then it is your own fault and nobody should help you. Though this is already often talked about.
Another scary thing is how little you like your government (being it of the State or federal). It seems Americans don’t want the government to do much, not seeing at as a tool to handle modern problems. Back when I was at Reddit I read a thread about why americans opposed state run free healthcare for all. One user wrote something like “Don’t see, why we should solve the price issue by letting the state (so taypayer) pay”. The user just ignored the immense power, that a government of a big and wealthy nation has. It can easily press pharma companies to set prices low enough, without stiffling research and innovation. But that would be against freedom, I guess? Really difficult to understand.
Though changing the american system is a big task. Months ago I’ve seen a good video on youtube on that topic by TypeAston. I think its this one Would Universal Healthcare Really Work in the U.S.?
American here, we have amassed more wealth than Rome at its peak, yet a disgusting number of our citizens live in third world conditions. Another disgusting amount of people live in relative comfort, but also in impossible debt that threatens them daily. They will be homeless soon, and they know it.
Our wealth inequality is worse than France before the Revolution, and it increases constantly. The wealthy don’t care. They just want more. They’ll burn the entire fucking planet to ash if it makes them a little more profit.
And Americans pay their utility bills with credit cards. And their grocery bills with credit cards. Their wages go to rent and booze/smoke to get by. Look at the mental health numbers in America and factor in the people worried about getting fired if they admit they’re struggling and ask for help. Factor in the ones who don’t have health insurance and can’t even ask for the help they need.
It’s a fucking nightmare here. And it’s getting worse every day. Trump is going to win for a reason.
We haven’t amassed shit. The wealthy have stolen it all.
That was an appalling wrong turn at the end there.
I didn’t say I was happy about it. People are desperate. They’re going to vote for chaos knowingly, because the status quo has become unbearable, and the Democrats have decided that pretending there isn’t a problem is a good campaign strategy.
Exactly. Cue the accelerationists.
BLM was the largest continued protest in American history. Democrats took a knee on the capital steps and changed a street name in DC. And that’s it.
I’ve been told since 2008 the recession is over. the news story ≠ real life. Idk anybody any better off today than they were in 2008. Everyone’s a bad week from homelessness. 99% of Americans, with 2 educated working full time adults do not earn the purchasing power of just one of their grandfather’s.
And the people are seeeeeeeething. We are a nation full of veterans and cosplaytriots, with more guns than people. The rich are naive to think they’ll survive the purge, all that needs to be said is ‘keep what you kill’ and the gene pool will be bleached.
I don’t even blame the accelerationists. Change doesn’t occur gradually or thru voting. Change happens in a pen stroke, under duress from public dissent. As it always has. Incrementalism is just the rich whittling our rights away, the rights paid for in our ancestors blood. A whole lot of good men died for the 8hr day, the 40hr work week, to ensure machinery got physically disconnected before servicing.
Liberals are corporatists conciliatory to change, but they’ll never lead change because its the right thing to do. Their morality is making money, and that’s it. That’s why they lose, cuz they stand for nothing. Puppets to profits, merely a meat shield to deflect the owning class it’s proper hatred.
that your country is the actual shit hole. The worst part is when people who do work, and have insurance get denied care or endebted because something is “out of range” or whatever the fuck it is you yankees call it.
I live in LATAM, and healthcare is good. I had … “worker contribution” (mutualista) tier healthcare and private medical. Mutualista worked adequately, got my needs met, but the centers were a bit spaced out, ironically due to market competition. Similar problem with the private medical insurance, but it comes with lots of fancy bells and whistles (telemedicine, medical history app, wide variety of specialists to resolve issues etc).
I pay about $100 (monthly) and it covers everything. I never have to think about going to hospital, except “Let me see if I can avoid it by doing a quick video call”
There’s also universal healthcare that covers everyone not in mutualistas or private medicine. It’s not as well regarded, but at least it’s there. If you are making tax contributions, you’re on mutualista tier healthcare anyway. I don’t think anyone hesitates to call ambulances or react properly in the case of a medical emergency.
What use is having 8 different burger chains when you get squashed by a train and you yell at people to not call an ambulance so you don’t go bankrupt?
From LATAM too and the main thing i think is: fuck. USA has always been very influential towards us. A lot of people want to imitate it because they only know it from the movies and shows or from what famous Americans share about their livestyles. And the right wings leaders over here are eager to play by their playbook. Trump got elected and now the more fringe right wing candidates are being elected here and while their eccentricities dominate the headlines the people under them work to undermine our free healthcare and public education. Some Latín Americans think it can’t happen in their country… until it happens.
Fucking Milei, most of his supporters are wielding the gadsen flag. What the hell does that flag have to do with Argentina??
A lot of Nazis relocated there from Europe after the War, with the government in Buenos Aries purportedly encouraging it. Considering who has been wanting the Gadsden flag in the US, I’d say that Nazis are the likely link.
@catch22
If we want to go on vacation, it is strongly recommended to check the insurance not only in the USA but also when traveling to Canada, Japan, Australia, New Zealand or Cyprus.
According to an article in a consumer magazine, it is strongly recommended to negotiate if you have to pay bills yourself. In most cases, the costs can be massively reduced. There are also said to be specialized companies that take over negotiations, some of which are also used by insurance companies.Translated with DeepL.com (free version)
We wonder if that could happen to our healthcare services and what steps we can take to prevent it.
“Voting out Tory scum” is about what I’m left with.
It absolutely could happen on that side of the pond, and yeah. Globally we should be voting out anyone that wants to privatize healthcare. The US experiment has clearly been a failure for 99.99999999% of us.
