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What’s a fork, I know what GitHub is and use it too. Just don’t know what a fork is haha
A fork in the road. When a developer takes an open source project and modifies it – thus creating their fork of the original software.
It’s basically like a copy of the original repository. But you can pull in and merge changes from the original, make a pull request for the original to pull your changes. Fork+pull request enables you to contribute to someone else’s repository. Things like Chromium are in part forks of Safari, just that they diverged over time.
Me with Liftoff :)
Is there a fork being maintained? I haven’t seen one. Was just poking around for one yesterday.
Liftoff is no longer maintained right? So what’s the fork?
Keep in mind that software doesn’t have an expiry date. If a piece of software is unmaintained and doesn’t have an active fork but it still fulfills your use case and doesn’t have any major issues, there’s no need to replace it. Some of the software I use hasn’t seen any updates in five years but I still use it because it still works.
Edit: As an example, a lot of people still use WinDirStat even though the latest release 1.1.2 is now 17 years old.
Isn’t WizTree a lot faster?
It is. I was just using WinDirStat as an example of an old app that people still use. The 1.1.2 release from 2005 is still downloaded 60,000 times per week according to the stats on the Sourceforge download page.
I use windirstat almost monthly and have never heard of WizTree. Keeping this in mind for next time I use it.
Though at this point, maybe I should just commit honestly
Just do it. I was hesitant as well but now there’s no going back. It’s actually like 5x faster.
I’d say that problems mostly come from the need to update dependencies in case of vulnerabilities being discovered. But not every software needs elevated privileges or can become a vector of attack, I guess
If a software is compromised to allow remote code execution, then the situation is pretty dire even without elevated privileges.
Basically your entire userspace will be compromised, and in terms of personal computing that is pretty much all you can lose.
WinDirStat works but is super slow though. WizTree is a much better modern equivalent.
I do like Wiztree, but WinDirStat is still pretty common to see. The 2005 version of WinDirStat still gets around 60,000 downloads per week according to the Sourceforge stats. https://sourceforge.net/projects/windirstat/files/windirstat/1.1.2 installer re-release (more languages!)/stats/timeline
I was just using it as an example of old software that people still use :)
Desktop - Linux - Yes, likely. If not, here’s a flatpak
Desktop - Windows - Maybe it still runs in a compatibility mode?
Desktop - iMac - Here’s an emulator, good luck.Mobile - PostMarketOS - Yes, likely. If not, here’s a flatpak
Mobile - Android - Maybe? Try it and see if you get permission denial
Mobile - iPhone - Fuck you, no.Wait, flatpak works on PostMarketOS?
Yep! It’s the default on things like phosh and gnome mobile for packaging apps
Windows is pretty good with backwards compatibility, probably the best out of anything. I can run Visual Basic apps I wrote in the early 2000s on Windows 11 and they still run fine. Some old 32-bit games work fine too. You can even run some 16-bit Windows 3.0 apps on 32-bit Windows 10 if you manually install NTVDM through the Windows features (it was never ported to 64-bit though)
Linux is okay for backcompat but I’m not sure an app I compiled 20 years ago would still run today.
Tell that to video games, which constantly need a compat mode enabled
The fact that a compat mode exists means that Microsoft put effort into backwards compatibility. Windows even emulates some old bugs for old popular apps that depended on them. I don’t think any other OS does that.
I don’t like Microsoft Windows at all, but you are absolutely right about doing a good job with backwards compatibility.
Linux isn’t so backwards compatible, but with much of it having open source code, you can often compile it again yourself—tho having been written in a language that offers good backwards compatibility also helps.
For me, it’s MPC-HC.
Even better when someone forked it away from proprietary, closed-source, publicly-traded, for-profit, US-based, account-required, training-AI-on-your-code-then-selling-it-back-to-you Microsoft GitHub forge/social media network often with vendor lock-in to some other forge without all that BS.
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only a matter of time until Microsoft gets sued
https://githubcopilotlitigation.com/ it’s been ongoing
no account is required unless you’re submitting code
it’s free
Submitting issues & discussions require an account. Using the search for code requires an account. On Lemmy this week there was also a post about viewing “Discussions” & “Wiki” being A/B tested or whatever with an account required to view. Which is to say, if submitting patches, issues, & or using some features requires giving up personal info & agreeing to Microsoft’s ToS to create an account, you have locked out users & their freedom isn’t respected if their autonomy to not create an account with a company known for predatory behavior cannot be respected.
lock-in
Users locked out sucks, but so does lock in. Sure you can set a non Microsoft GitHub remote & push to it, but I’m talking about the forge on whole rather than the tool that backs it. The more Microsoft GitHub features you rely on, the more the existance of a
./.githubdirectory’s or otherwise gets cited as being too hard to move. As more features get locked behind authentication, so will the APIs that allow some ability to migrate. GitHub were the popularizers of the “pull request” model too which is severely limiting but is the only way you can operate on their site (no stacked diffs, mailing patchsets, etc.) which eliminates alternating review methods (while you could use a third-party, due to MS GitHub’s ingrained workflow to too many, I’ve seen alternatives being considered as “too hard” rather than “different” (even if could be “better”)). I’ve also witnessed some communities like Elm freeload on the “free” hosting & require all community packages be upload to only MS GitHub or you can’t publish & by proxy participate in the community (or in their case even refer to other remotes, VCSs, tarballs for packages (even private ones) but that is due to Elm having a terrible default package manager).They’ve embraced a Git forge; they’ve extended the space with Codespaces, Sponsors, Actions, Copilot, even VS Code proliferation far beyond pre-acquisition GitHub; now we just await the extinguish part.
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But you’re willing to gloss over all methods of contribution (unless the project owner explicitly provided alternatives) require accounts to a proprietary service owned by Microsoft, not owned by your project? Or they way the Microsoft GitHub way is entrenched in the larger community via education & peer pressure to join the social media network.
I don’t see Microsoft with both its history & its shareholder obligations to maximize profit to do anything but try to extinguish—corporations always aim to monopolize.
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Everything you point to as ‘pros’ for Microsoft GitHub could be applied to GitLab, SourceHut, Codeberg, GNU Savannah, Notabug, Radicle, darcs hub, Smedeeree, Pijul Nest as far as hosting infrastructure where you don’t have to–and with the exception of GitLab being open core & a publicly-traded company, they are open source & not ran by corporations (some as for-profits, but indie, others, as foundations, others as community run). You’re conflating my (and many of our) distaste of capitalism/corporatism by rejecting Microsoft as if it means anti-access or anti-open source/anti-ethical source. Microsoft is 100% an enemy playing the long-con by vacuuming up all these developer adjacent services as megacorporations try to do (see their expanding portfolio of: WSL, Azure, GitHub, Codespaces, Sponsors, Copilot, VS Code, npm, Teams). I also believe it’s only a matter of time til they pull the plug on their APIs like Twitter & Reddit as the board of shareholders demand preventing migration (just like the “Search” is disabled).
There is also no shame in self-hosting these things & you can start hosting most DVCS with SSH + an HTTP server in front of the code even if it doesn’t have some web GUI to browse files so it doesn’t have to be that complicated. NixOS modules or similar can get you a cgit, GitLab Community, SourceHut, etc. all running without too much effort (
services.cgit.enable = true), or forming a local collective & sharing resources is cool too & doesn’t need to be each project self-hosting. You can still have ‘barriers’ like authentication if you need that require agreeing to your community’s terms of service instead of Microsoft’s ToS–which is the system used by KDE, GNOME, & many other big FOSS self-hosted GitLab forges.I’m also not against rejecting some of the tenets of “open source”–with OSI as its definitional gatekeeper–in favor of the copyfarleft, copy fair, Commons Clause, etc. that require corporations contribute code or finances as I don’t think it’s a difficult argument to say our current systems extract values from the Commons more than adding putting folks in positions of not getting to work on their valuable library that everyone relies on, but doesn’t want to help finance its maintenance (see Babel)… in which case, rejecting the corporations in favor of the Commons could be a greater goal than “open source is actually about”.
How can I learn more about alternatives to pull requests and other tools or processes for code review?
rust™ -> crablang when
No
I can see the pain in your “no”, haha.
Now this I can get behind!
update: I received a letter from the rust foundation stating that my use of the word rust violates their trademark policy. I have to redact my pervious comment.
Holy shit… The balls of that policy. “Hey, we took two common words of the English language for our project. They’re ours now.”
The psuedo-friendly tone where they define fair use as “all the places we want you to market for us, and none of the ones we don’t” (specifically “showing support of rust”… Not as in “our software supports rust”, but “I want to praise rust publicly”) and you use the word rust in a project… So I guess <my_sdk>-rust can probably be licensed if we ask.
I think I figured out the hack - you use the word rust, along with the logo for the still popular game rust (released 2 years before it). They’ll be paralyzed by the mental gymnastics it takes to twist their stance into a “friendly cease and desist” for months. And when it finally comes, you can insist you were talking about the game, Rust, using familiar programming concepts allegorically to comment on game mechanics and emergent design and through player interaction and feedback.
Then you say “I think I’ve heard of rust-lang in the last couple years, some people really seem to like it. But library availability is a concern, do you have a good package manager? Can I find a package for most things I might need?”
I just wanna point out that what can and can’t be done with a trademark is defined by law and not by the wishes of some corpo
Sure, but that’s not what we’re talking about. We’re talking about a Corp that frames fair use as a subset of fair use, making allowances only when it’s beneficial to them for marketing
For the most cut and dry example, they allow blog posts praising them… What about a blog post offering a nuanced criticism? What about a satiric post about them?
Those are both undeniably fair use, but by framing it as outside fair use, they’re being shit heels
I really like rust™ as a language. but their foundation does some drama every 6 months.
I was almost done with “the book”(their official book) when this draft policy came out. they have since backed up a bit, but I really don’t want to see ‘oracle 2’.
they say they’re not going to do an oracle because ‘trust us’. i’m indecisive ever since.
I love pattern matching, I want to have 8 different ways of creating strings. what I don’t like is the way foundation wants it to go.but if in the future I wish to make anything with rust, I’ll use the trick you mentioned :)
Simplemobiletools --> Fossify is pretty epic
Do the Fossify versions already have new features? I’ll still using Simple Mobile Tools from F-Droid, without ads, and am asking if it makes sense to download Fossify apps already
Better UI but no video editing for gallery
Mostly minor improvement, such as the fossify phone app grouping by date in the call history
No big changes yet afaik but its a good idea to switch anyways
What happened with simplemobiletools?
dev sold it to a shady company
https://github.com/SimpleMobileTools/General-Discussion/issues/241#issuecomment-1837102917Ah thanks. Missed that. So it’s time to move on.
They have material you by default instead of the weird accent theming there was before
Looks like simple mobile tools is unmaintained
it’s a wonderful feeling when that happens!
I don’t usually get my hopes up, but yes, it is a wonderfull feelling when it happens.
yea pls dont get your hopes up
Yes, and there’s that small thing that’s done in a slightly different manner that you can’t change through settings and it messes with your muscle memory.
vi?
rimusic
vim, or better yet, neovim
come to the 21st century, we have lua
and plugins, and syntax highlighting, and multi buffer/multi window support, and LSP support so you can Go to Definition like in an IDE, and wAY more normal mode commands than anyone could ever hope to memorize. also when you do
cwit deletes the word immediately instead of putting a dollar sign at the end before purring you in insert mode, and regex substitutions highlights text in the buffer as you type so you can see what you’re about to replace. it’s really quite cool. if you’re new to programming and/or feel like committing heresy you can even skin it to look and work like VS Code. people like to joke that we’re slowly but surely becoming emacs and they’re not entirely wrong.but the important thing is the lua.
Used vim since the mid 90’s, but switched to emacs at some point. It was wonderful for many years, but neovim has come so far that I switched back a few years ago. Could not be happier. The tools available for programmers these days are superb and neovim chief among them.
It’s probably because of Lua that the plugin ecosystem exploded in the recent years.
I’m glad I adopted neovim early.
I mean, most of those things can be done in regular vim too. I’m probably going to switch eventually, but I haven’t really had any issues with vim that would motivate me to switch, and I haven’t really encountered anything super useful that nvim has that vim can’t also do. Though, I’ll admit lua is tempting, and better defaults are certainly a plus!
For search highlighting, the relevant options are
:set hlsearchand:set incsearch. nvim just has those enabled by default. nvim also has a binding Ctrl+L to clear the search highlight. This isn’t in vim by default, but the vim-sensible plugin also adds it.What do you mean by
cwputting a dollar sign? I don’t think I’ve ever encountered that.Edit: the vim syntax for Ctrl+L got eaten by markdown.
Vim and Neovim are pretty similar at this point honestly apart from the Lua and LSP integration (seriously, that feature is cool). The only difference I’ve really noticed is that in Neovim, when you
:term, it opens the terminal in the active pane, putting the buffer you were working on in background. In Vim, it splits the screen and puts the terminal there. Vim also prompts you to confirm a:eif you haven’t saved the current buffer, even though it doesn’t close it, just puts it in the background (iirc?)In the original vi, when you
cwit doesn’t delete the word right away, only changing the last character of it to a $ so you can see where it ends, to save screen refresh. (This was actually a concern on the 1970s modems on which vi was developed.) When you type, it looks like you’re overtyping the word, but when you go back to normal mode it redraws the line and shows the rest of the line shifted over appropriately, so you replaced the whole word. Vim and Neovim redraw the line with every keystroke, which is not a problem even on today’s shoddiest internet connections, and is much more intuitive. vi only starts to do that once the word you’re typing becomes longer than the word it’s replacing.Is the LSP support in nvim better than what you can get with plugins? I’m using coc.nvim with vim and yeah it is really cool.
I didn’t know about that
:termdifference. I think I prefer vim’s behavior there.If you have
:set hidden, then the current buffer will be hidden when you open a different file, and you won’t be prompted. Without it, vim doesn’t allow hidden buffers and will discard the buffer when you open a different file (which is why it prompts you). Vim’s defaults are very odd sometimes.Huh, that
cwbehavior in vi does seem pretty jarring. Interesting, though. It makes sense why it was like that.
Synergy -> Barrier
I actually paid for synergy because I was using it extensively back in the day (probably about 10 years ago? Maybe less? IDK. Long enough that I don’t care to remember when); and after an update I realized the windows service portion had a bad memory leak. I don’t reboot my PC very often, so I kept getting memory errors despite having more memory than the average (I believe it was 24G at the time, when 8G was considered “good” instead of it being the bare minimum that it is now)… I couldn’t even always fix it by restarting the service, since it was some kind of memory mapped file or something that was causing the problem, so it didn’t register normally that the process was consuming the space. The only way to fully resolve the problem was to disable the service (or remove the software) and restart. So I abandoned synergy for a long time because I wasn’t sure when they would actually recognize the problem and fix it.
I got a notice late last year that synergy had updated and my license was going to be given a free upgrade so I could use the newer version at no extra cost, so I figured it would be a good time to try it again, and I had a situation come up in December (ish) where I actually wanted to see if I could get it working; I couldn’t. Now that I’m running exclusively multi monitor setups, synergy’s configuration doesn’t actually give you the option of setting where your screens are connected individually or anything, it just shows each PC as a single display, and for the life of me, not only could I not get it right, but I couldn’t even find the trigger point that would move my mouse and keyboard controls to the other system. Even if I managed to get them over there, I had no idea how, and I had no idea how to get back.
So I disconnected it entirely and I’m back at square one. I bought a multimonitor KVM to fix another problem and it reduced or eliminated my need to use synergy… But I still want synergy to work (or something like it). Is barrier more robust?
Sounds like you’d like Mouse Without Borders
Does this only work for Windows?
I was hoping for something cross platform. Since synergy sucks and will probably continue to suck for a while, I’d like to find something in the interim, or to replace it entirely so I can control a Linux system from my windows PC, or something like that.
Don’t get me wrong, this is great for Windows, but I originally got synergy because I was using a Linux system as a media player, so I could mouse over and change tracks or load a playlist or whatever I wanted to do without having to reach across the room for another keyboard or something like that.
I haven’t used that set up in a while, though I might switch back to it with a raspberry Pi or something eventually, and just have a small micro system playing media using chromium to load up YouTube music (or whatever). The old set up was the Linux system using xmmp (I believe) to play music from a NAS. The output went through a physical mixer, so I had immediate access to turn up, or down, the music from my media system, without dedicating resources to music on my main (gaming) system. This was back in the days of Windows XP and I wanted to squeeze every last FPS I could from my main system, so I offloaded my music to another system; which was some old P4 that I had lying around. The HDD was questionable so I never put anything on it that I couldn’t lose, hence all the music was on my network storage.
At the same time I was using the network storage system (I call it a NAS, but it was really a Windows box with some file shares) to do other offloading tasks, like downloading Linux ISOs from torrent files.
I did a lot to ensure my system would not get bogged down. I have servers now for any file shares and torrent stuff, but I’ve never solved the media system problem. Using a pi or similar SBC and piping the audio through the mixer I still have connected to my main computer is still appealing to me… Among other things… And just putting up a display for it next to my monitors and roaming my mouse and keyboard to it to pick what I want to watch/listen to, still seems like a good idea to me.
I don’t want to get restricted to Windows to do it though, since then I would need a much more power-hungry system to run it. I’ve concerned myself a lot more with efficiency since I was younger, considering that I’m paying for my own power now. Historically, I would be paying for it through rent that includes utilities. I own a house now and pay all my own utilities. So a sub 10W pi sounds good. Most windows systems, even very lightweight systems usually need at least double that.
VNC into the device.
I’m not sure I can drive any more screens on my main computer.
Why? I mean VNC in when you need access/to change something. Not all the time.
So you’re proposing I use vnc to connect to a media system whenever I want to skip a track?
Just try it. It’s free.
Does it have Wayland support yet?
Tried it with a macOS server and gnome client, it worked but I could not see the mouse cursor. Maybe it’s because my laptop has a touch screen, I didn’t bother looking into it further.
No, but Lan Mouse does! https://github.com/feschber/lan-mouse
Yt-dl - > yt-dlp
YT-DL is greater than YT-DLP?
Edit: Oh, it’s an arrow. Got it.
RIP revanced extended.
what why??
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damn that sucks
Jellyfin
I keep hearing this, but my emby server has been running strong for a few years now without issue. My only gripe with it is the emby premiere ads that take up a lot of home screen space, but I got rid of it with custom CSS that you can put in emby settings, doesn’t even show up on the phone app anymore.
I’ve heard Jellyfin implemented features that emby puts behind a paywall too, but I’m not sure what. Care to fill me in on what I’m missing?
I have never seen home screen ads on mine…
Only thing I see is the continue prompt before watching
Emby or Jellyfin?
Emby
I’ve no experience with Emby but the fact you’re talking about ad workarounds and paywalls and subscriptions leads me to believe you owe yourself to at least try out jellyfin. It has none of that.
I feel like your interpretation of my comment is really off. I’ve never had issues with paywalls, and the reason I said the ad thing was my only gripe was because I thought I didn’t have to explicitly say it wasn’t a big deal. I haven’t had any problems that make me feel like I owe it to myself to find something better, because my Emby experience has been great.
The point of my comment is that I’m curious what I’m missing out on, since people’s problems with Emby don’t really line up with my experience.
I was admittedly being a bit of a smartass, I don’t actually think jellyfin is doing anything particularly special.
It’s free, it’s open source, it doesn’t try to upsell me or show me ads, it’s fast, it has personalized user accounts, it organizes and presents media beautifully and plays it flawlessly on whatever device I choose to use. For me, idk what more I could ask for from a media server.
EDIT: looking at Emby premier, seems $ provides hardware transcoding, native apps, downloading media for offline, cover arts, database backup, I guess this is stuff I take for granted. Jellyfin just includes it. If jellyfin couldn’t do transcoding or native app playback OOTB I don’t think I’d use it.
Edit2: for context I moved from kodi to jellyfin just a couple years ago, I wasn’t aware of it’s FOSS-fork relationship to Emby before now.
The weird thing is I get cover art and hardware transcoding with Emby but I’ve never paid. I know it has it because 4k playback was lagging until I enabled it 🤷♂️ and it would be weird to imagine emby without cover art of any kind. Doesn’t every media app just scrape by title? Is this referring to something else?
I also use the native emby app on my phone, I think my smart TV has it too, unpaid. Man, I’m really confused about their paid features lol everything I think would be needed seems to be in native Emby as well. So weird.
Good to know though, I could see downloading for offline use being very useful for travel and stuff.
Does Jellyfin have:
Music filtering/smart playlists?
Sonic analysis?
Good 4k/x265 performance?
A third party (or built in) utility that shows me streaming usage per person?
Allows me to limit remote users to streaming from a single IP address at a time?
Let’s me watch something together with another remote user?
Has an app for most any device (like Plex or Emby) that does NOT require sideloading?
Has built in native DVR steaming/recording support?
Two factor authentication?
Doesn’t default new clients to 720p for remote streaming?When it does, I’ll switch.
Slic3r -> PrusaSlicer -> SuperSlicer
Although I’d love to agree superslicer has sadly nowhere near the development power of prusa behind them - and feature parity is rarely given, basically any release of the two has “oh I want both of those!” (don’t know if it’s spelled correctly but arachnid mode for example was hyped to a point I checked back with prusa after a few months).
I just want to point it out in case people expect a “prusaslicer” but better in every regard :)
Oh yeah, I find that it’s easier to get fine control of the outcome in SuperSlicer because it’s less refined. User-friendly features are nice when you’re getting started but a hindrance when you have more experience. I tried to use Cura awhile back and it felt like the Fisher-Price version of a slicer. SuperSlicer is probably less accessible overall, but it doesn’t hide controls from me.
I will borrow The fisher-Price phrasing, thank you for that! Fully agree on the cura part.
If this is the case, why doesnt superslicer upstream its changes to prusaslicer? :/
I can’t answer that and it’s a valid question in my opinion. If I had to guess I’d speculate about disagreements in code style, build pipeline or similar.
Thats usually how it goes. Imo, and to be clear im a major foss person, they are contributing so they should accept the prusaslicer guidelines but maybe have an open discussion about.
I havent seen the prusaslicer code yet so i have no how bad either project is though :p
Orca Slicer
