In audio released Friday evening, senators and representatives from Ohio and Michigan revealed the “endgame” is to ban transgender care “for everyone.”
Obviously. This was apparent from the start.
That’s only because they don’t think they can reintroduce chattel slavery. Their actual endgame, if they accomplish this, will be much, much worse.
We already have slavery and it’s working quite nicely. We just renamed them “illegal immigrants”.
I think people get hung up thinking slaves were cost-free to the slaveholders. Of course they weren’t! Just like any livestock, you gotta feed and shelter them, breed them, take care of the offspring until they become productive, etc.
The current slave system is brilliant! Pay 'em some change, so no one can call them slaves, and let them figure out all the items above. If anyone comes along and says maybe we should provide… STFU socialist! You trying to take MY money and give it to people breaking the law?!
It gets better! Now we can use fear of these people to get votes, keep in power. (Fuck it, I’m exhausted, you all know where I’m going with this.)
Did you really just compare immigrant labor to chattel slavery?
Did I really just fart and shit myself a little, dare I say a fair bit? No, that was two days ago, but it’s becoming more frequent.
No. This is a bad take. Even though wage slavery bucks, no illegal immigrant is their employer’s property. You already have slavery in the US and it’s all the convicts being leased to companies: 13th Amendment, babies!
Not sure if you’re ignorant to reality or what. Your comparison falls flat and looks childish because the US still has actual slaves. Not metaphorically, not hyperbolically, but actual, literal slaves.
The 13th amendment banned slavery EXCEPT as punishment for a crime. And hoo-boy has the US taken that to heart. One of the reasons we have more of our population imprisoned than any other country is we use prisoners as slave labor. Actual, literal, slave labor.
This is a stunningly ignorant take.
Being a modern so-called “wage slave” sucks, no doubt. But equating it to actual, literal slavery belittles what those people actually went through to a disgusting degree. No one today can whip you if they feel like it. No one today can separate you from your spouse and children, selling them to some random asshole two states over, never to be seen again. If you decided to try to make it on your own and move, no one can sue to have you brought back to your workplace in a cage. If you break your leg, no one can shoot you in the head like you’re a useless animal.
The closest thing to slaves we have today are convicts. There’s a whole different discussion to be had there about how immoral it is to use prison as a punishment instead of rehabilitation, allowing a court to take away someone’s rights, exploiting time behind bars for labor, the incentive that provides for pronouncing people guilty, and removing felons’ rights to vote. But poor wage workers are NOT slaves.
Everyone knows what their end game really is.
Yeah, it was caught on audio pretty clearly lol. These
peoplethings are fucking horrendous.
It’s constantly a slippery f’n slope with these people, and they always want to keep on sliding down that slope.
The slippery slope implies that it’s some kind of accident.
They’re dragging us kicking and screaming into a ditch.
Slippery slope implies that allowing the change will mean sliding further and further in the same direction. Intent does not matter.
This is a slippery slope because every time they say something has a limited scope they just keep increasing the scope.
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Yes, in this case it is intentional. That doesn’t mean every slippery slope is intentional, because they can be accidental or intentional. A slippery slope does not imply being accidental, which is what I was responding to.
The slippery-ness of the slope is inherently about intent. If the slope is slippery then it isn’t their fault for falling down the slope.
This slope isn’t slippery. It’s a stair case into fascism and they are goose stepping down the steps and dragging us by the hair.
The slippery slope can easily be unintentional, like the fear that giving something up will just naturally lead to other things being given up as a logical extension of the first thing. That is why slippery slopes are often described when making exemptions for certain rights. It is not that someone is intentionally going to expand the exemptions, but that exemptions tend to lead to more and more exemptions as a slippery slope.
This one is intentional. Some slippery slopes are intentional and some are accidental. Intent does not matter.
What do you think “slippery” means? If you slip, it’s unintentional. This is not a slippery slope. This is an intentional methodological plan.
Someone can intentionally trick someone onto a slippery slope and grease it up to make the slide faster, like Republicans are doing right now with undermining abortion and LBGTQ+ rights while claiming it isn’t a slippery slope.
Where do you get the idea that a slippery slope must be unintentional?
Is someone slipping on a banana peel unintentional if someone drops the peel in front of them? Do you think you might be taking the word ‘slippery’ a little too literally?
i disagree - the word sliding can imply a passivity in things that current republican intent certainly counter-indicates.
i’m not generally pulled down slippery slopes against my will, original wording of the phrase aside.
They’re just putting on their ski’s.
I’d say it’s more the dog that caught the car. They need trans people to exist so they can whip their base up into a panic over trans people existing. Total victory, then, means they need to move on to a new target to hate. It’s hate in and of itself that matters to them, hate is more than a necessary evil, it’s the ultimate object of their desire.
Exactly. If they had nobody else to hate, they would eventually turn on themselves. They would get to a point where nobody would trust anyone,
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If we are going to stop this for anyone under 18, why not apply it for anyone over 18? It’s harmful across the board, and that’s something we need to take into consideration in terms of the endgame."
Wow.
Representative Click then responded, "That’s a very smart thought there. I think what we know legislatively is we have to take small bites.”
This is why they call everything a slippery slope. Projection.
Which means it’ll be banned in red states.
Occasionally Democrats from blue states will do what they’ve done with abortion and cannabis legalization and the minimum wage: They’ll look at the victims of Republican policy in red states and say they deserve it. Say their suffering is a good thing because they committed the heinous sin of being outnumbered.
But what Democrats won’t do is try to protect the human rights of vulnerable minorities on the national level. That would require getting rid of the filibuster.
And when the filibuster is needed to stop that really heinous shit the republicans want to do?!
Every damn time… “get rid of the filibuster!” As regular as Texas wanting to secede whenever some weak-ass republican needs to pump up his base.
Also, the “dems are just as bad” is tired tripe, and I don’t know what kind of dems you hang around, but I’ve not heard any that think those victimized by republican policies “deserve it”. Bugger off with that “both sides” bs.
And when the filibuster is needed to stop that really heinous shit the republicans want to do?!
The filibuster is currently enabling the heinous shit republicans want to do. Every state law that fucks over marginalized groups is there because Democrats consider their rights less important than the Jim Crow Filibuster.
I don’t know what kind of dems you hang around, but I’ve not heard any that think those victimized by republican policies “deserve it”.
Then you’ve been paying no attention at all whatsoever. Or you know better and are lying.
Wait, you are implying that this is the democrats fault? For something thr republicans do?
It’s Republicans’ fault.
Democrats are more interested in preserving the Jim Crow Filibuster than they are in preserving human rights.
This enables Republicans.
I thought you said you wouldn’t be posting here anymore. Can’t wait for the abuse to resume.
Sure bud, but the issue is the same. You are blaiming again something that the republicans the to the democrats…
Well, so far I haven’t seen democrats doing what you claim, burt in the other hand i have seen republicans removing rights of the population. Way to go again with blaming democrats for a republican doing… ironic.
For some reason it shows on my lista. Again i will just wait to claim that i am something just because you have trouble reading and understanding.
Well, so far I haven’t seen democrats doing what you claim
You haven’t seen Democrats refusing to get rid of the Jim Crow Filibuster?
There ya go. The single most representative Democrat letting everyone know where the party he owns stands on keeping the relic of Jim Crow that Democrats love.
Republicans care about trans people. They want them dead or suffering.
Democrats claim to care about trans people, but they refuse to kill the filibuster to secure their rights. If given a choice between human rights and the filibuster, Democrats prefer the filibuster in all cases.
just because you have trouble reading and understanding.
I understand what you’re saying. I’m not buying it because it’s bullshit.
Funny when you say that, remembrer that the republicans still always block things foe the democrats. You are angry about one filibuster that makes the minority have a voice in the senate? Regardless of the name… ohhhhh i get it it is because of the name, which ironically roday is used by the conservatives that still claim that the confederacy is a hereitage.
Maybe you forgot that not long ago the republicans became the conservatives. You must be really angry at the maga gop for the same right?
Sure bud, they don’t care… but then again, who are the ones removing the rights of the citizens? At this point is still a fallacy that you claim is the fault of the democrats.
Also from your article “The filibuster plays an important role in protecting our democracy from the transitory passions of the majority and respecting the input of the minority in the Senate. Contrary to what some have said – protecting the role of the minority, Democrat or Republican, has protected us from the volatile political swings we have endured over the last 233 years. The role of the minority is what ensures the policies of our nation have input from all corners of the country. We must never forget that the Senate governs for all 50 states, not just red or blue states."
But sure bud… next time read the article to understand, and don’t claim that just because of the name is a bad thing. Let the adults discuss the topic without hypocrisy or like tge ignorance of just thinking a filibuster is bad for the name.
That’s it? They’re building their platform on bullying a minuscule percentage of the population that’s what, 2‰ of people?
Oh, and women, of course. That’s a much larger target.
Dangit! That’s a whole new game, nobody’s ever done that before!
I’m shocked I tell you
Yeah I fully expect this to become normal for red states.
Probably gonna kill myself lol
I think it might just be time to move bud. You’re in an escapesble situation. You don’t HAVE to stay and listen to their bullshit. You’re much much better than they are. Keep positive thoughts and you WILL get through it!
I’m still paying off my trailer, I can’t just move without destroying my life anyway. My resume is unimpressive, I’m going into my mid 30s, I’d just be condemning myself to a life in homeless poverty.
I hope things don’t get bad enough for you to feel like that’s the only option.
Michigan isn’t red. And don’t fucking kill yourself. I’m an old cis white dude, and if I can help fight for your rights, the least you can do is stick around to enjoy them, right?
I’m terrible at pep talks but just don’t fucking kill yourself. There is beauty in the world you have yet to experience, and you make the world a more wondrous and beautiful place just by existing.
I’m in Iowa and that’s a red state these days. If they want to kill me I won’t go quietly, but I’d definitely rather die than detransition.
Come hang out in Illinois. We’ll leave you alone.
There are other options. They might involve not staying in Iowa, but hell suicide means leaving Iowa, too, so you might as well try another state.
The Arab Spring all started with a suicide.
Just something to think about.
bitch just move.
There are better places.
And there are worse places.
Does it suck? yes. Do you have a choice? no.
Of all the Iowans to kill why one of the victims?
🤔 😲
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That’s what they want. Live your life to the fullest just to spite these motherfuckers.
Probably gonna kill myself lol
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: never kill yourself for something that’s somebody else’s fault.
Show depression that if it wants you dead it has to start shutting down your major organs like a REAL disease instead of hiding in your brain!
don’t let them fucking win, you stay here and you fight godsdamnit
same, no lol tho.
Our people have endured worse. They destroy our homes and livelihoods and push us to crime and professions of desperation. And yet we persist. From the Molly houses to the prostitute priestesses we have endured throughout history. And no law will stand between us and ourselves.
If I could hug you over the internet I would. Unfortunately that’s of exactly no help.
We would welcome you here in Washington.
If I manage to pay off my trailer before they issue my death sentence I’ll try to move, but if I run out of time I’m not going to try and thread that needle. I’ll just make sure it counts.
Isn’t this literally apart of Nikki Hailey’s campaign?
And if this goes as well as their war on Gay Marriage, it ends when a Right Wing Leaning Supreme Court gives us Trans-Inclusive Single Payer Healthcare and then they go after the next “Freak of the Week”, probably furries since New Hampshire’s already making legislation agianst them.
New Hampshire is already making legislation against them
Wasn’t it Oklahoma?
Oh… right, sorry with 50 states you’re bound to get some confused
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Health care that trans people need, the same way diabetic people need diabetic care.
Michigan Republicans are extra evil and authoritarian. Thankfully they don’t control the legislature anymore. Or the state Supreme Court. Or the Governorship.
Michigan Republicans are extra evil and authoritarian. Thankfully they don’t control the legislature anymore. Or the state Supreme Court. Or the Governorship.
Wish Ohio would fix its maps…
We keep fucking trying … Maybe soon … Frustrating
Is it really your endgame, though, Ohio Michigan Republicans? Is that really where you want to stop the train?
it must be nice having a party that just always manages to force through all the shit you want no matter the odds
it’s so awesome that we still haven’t fixed roe. like, ridiculous that that night the president didn’t write something saying ‘actually it’s legal everywhere executive order fuck you’. i don’t care if that’s not how it works!! he’s the president!! that’s how 40% of people think it works anyway!!
He did to some extent. The states ignored him because that’s how it actually works.
In other news, the color blue is blue. The party of hate surprised no one.
Even the usage of the term “endgame” implies an almost sportsman like perspective on the legal battle for transgender rights, devoid of any acknowledgment that transgender people have humanity and that their actions will have dire consequences for real people. A literal battle plan for how to dispose of us. No vague language, no hand waving away accusations of genocidal intent. Point blank, openly asking, “How do we get rid of trans people for good?”
They refuse to acknowledge that trans people, that any trans person, benefits from acceptance and support and freedom to be themselves. In their ideal world, first they’ll deny our healthcare, deny our legal rights and protections from violence and discrimination, they’ll replace mental health care facilities with religious conversion therapy camps, and when all is said and done and trans people continue to exist in any shape or form they’ll resort to incarceration and disposal. They’ll make laws enforcing dress codes based on assigned gender and make it illegal to change your name to one not approved for your assigned sex. This is what they’ve been saying they want for years. If they could do this, they would without a second thought.
We’re the basis of the entirety of the post pandemic Christian conservatism movement. None of these people would even have jobs without us to scream about during the two minutes hate.
The Nazis started with Transexuals and Homosexuals. The Jewish people just outnumbered the Transexuals and Homosexuals by several factors.
Oh, and the homeless were the third group, again outnumbered by a couple factors by Jewish people.
Important why the reference is valid as well, is that endgame is rhetorically near ‘Endlösung’ (ultimate solution) and ‘Endsieg’ (ultimate victory), meaning complete genocide as ‘solution’ to ‘the problem of the jews (existence)’ ( ‘Judenfrage’ ) and world domination as solution to the growing extremes of the Second World War.
Please don’t use ‘Endlösung’, ‘Endsieg’ and ‘Judenfrage’ in casual speech.
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what is the first line? i may not know.
Communists
Neither they like to talk how a lot of Nazi discourse was based on American eugenics and the logistics of the holocaust were templated and inspired by the American genocide of Native American Indigenous people. In particular the use of concentration camps. Which the Americans copied and perfected during WW2 to imprison Japanese-American citizens.
Even the usage of the term “endgame” implies an almost sportsman like perspective on the legal battle for transgender rights
It could be a movie reference tho. You know that movie where someone with all the power snapped his fingers and a bunch of people just disappeared?
At any rate it’s never good to hear about fascists discussing plans that have an endgame.
Huh wonder how the movie got the name.
From a comic book?
